On 7/12/23 22:28, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 11.07.23 16:36, Simon Lees wrote:
On 7/11/23 22:49, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.23 14:36, Simon Lees wrote:
On 7/11/23 21:43, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.23 08:31, Simon Lees wrote:
And *all we do* is for the people of our community and the people of the world wide Free Software community we are part of. Ergo: openSUSE is 100% politics.
Well sure, then reframe the question to be about how involved openSUSE as a Project is in non foss politics if you would like to be more specific.
Hm, did I not just tell you that? Everything involving people in our community concerns us. Be it directly related to Free Software or not.
Yes, and at the end of the day in this thread some people (not me) have expressed that the way we show concern for some people may alienate some other people.
Sure, I get that. Then the solution is to work the "conflict of interests" out among the members of this project. BTW an openSUSE Member¹ is something else than some anonymous rando writing to this mailing list, reddit or event using the software we produce.
And guess what, we already have sorted this out *before* this whole project started in the values stated in the guiding principles! The guiding principles that you are required to support if you want to be a member.
Let me cite:
"We value diversity and pluralism as a way of addressing the needs of a broad variety of people."
and
"We believe that a diverse community based on mutual respect is the base for a creative and productive environment enabling the project to be truly successful. We don't tolerate discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense."
If you are an openSUSE Member and feel alienated by the project showing support to project members from a marginalized group then you didn't pay attention while joining openSUSE! I guess your only option is to pay attention now an re-evaluate if this is the right place for you.
If you are not an openSUSE member: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and ciao!
To me the heart of the issue is we are a diverse group of people from a diverse set of upbringings and depending on those upbringings people may have different feelings about the best way to interpret the above and what may or may not be the best way to be inclusive. But i'm happy to agree to disagree on that. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B