On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 17:56, Lars Vogdt <lrupp@suse.de> wrote:
- obviously, this also means Heinlein will need/get a list of all @opensuse.org mail addresses and their alias target.
Why does this need to happen?
If I remember correctly, Heroes complaint about the complexity of the openSUSE mail system already (because it is connected to the SUSE development/testing mailsystem) - now you want to move it to another company. How does this make things easier?
From my perspective as a Board member, the mail-address topic was
It doesn't, but I think it's worth mentioning that the mail-address topic has been opened and actively investigated far longer and more intensely than the independence/less dependence topic. triggered by a number of (informal) concerns raised with the Board from SUSE employees that SUSE may not continuing to provide the @opensuse.org mail service in it's current form. These warnings were from employees who, much like yourself, have a long history and intimate involvement with both SUSE & openSUSE's infrastructure. Given the people involved, I think it was natural the Board took their concerns seriously. I don't know if the same people who informed the Board directly contacted the Heroes, but I do recall a Board meeting where Board members who are also Heroes said we needed to look into possible alternatives. I believe the discussions with Heinlein started soon after that. Of course, in the significant time since, nothing has come to pass from those concerns. SUSE is still happily providing @opensuse.org mail aliases and I've heard no further suggestion, informal or formal, that gives me reason to think this could change any time soon. But the concerns triggered discussions, planning, negotiations, and such, all of which now inform the debate around "less dependence" we're now having, so I wouldn't say it's a wasted exercise. That said, I am aware that the situation did 'plant an unwelcome seed' that SUSE could withdraw services from openSUSE. There's no way to pretend that a nasty thought like that doesn't encourage thought of independence being necessary. Given nothing came to pass from those concerns, I am doing my best to treat the 'SUSE will dump openSUSEs mail server' story as a learning experience towards being more sceptical about concerns raised to the Board. Regardless of it's dubious beginnings, I think this discussion now is at the very least a useful thought exercise to help openSUSE figure out how things could need to work with a more independent/less dependant infrastructure. I am of the mind that I don't care how the discussion got started, we might as well make the most of it. I feel your questioning quoted above and in the rest of your post is perfect to help that along. I don't want to pre-empt any answers, and I'm not in a position to provide any, I just wanted to take this opportunity to explain a little 'behind the scenes' context so everyone knows how these potentially separate issues got intertwined. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org