On Fri, 2022-05-27 at 13:01 +0200, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Dne pátek 27. května 2022 12:39:11 CEST, Lubos Kocman napsal(a):
On Fri, 2022-05-27 at 10:36 +0200, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
I still don't understand why majority does not consider IRC + Mailing Lists just enough. Connecting to IRC is just easy as hitting alt+F2, write "konv" and hit enter... Also the UI seems much cleaner and easier to me. It's also faster and the UI is not overloaded, the network overhead is much smaller...
Could be sufficient for a contributor with some existing knowledge of how things work, whom to contact, where to subscribe etc.
I did some "unexpected" experiment with Robert (in cc) from SUSE Community yesterday, and the barrier seems to be high for a new commer.
Perhaps clear instruction how to communicate from home page would help. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels is good, but again you need to know what you're looking for.
Well, when you start Konversation, it automatically connects you to libera.chat and joins #opensuse channel. There is one textbox for writing messages and a user list on the right and you can ask questions right away. You do not need to contact anyone specific or subscribe anywhere. Just start it and write. Where is the barrier here, also when compared to Discord, where you need invite link AFAIK and the UI is much "harder" to understand with those functions not really needed for asking a question, etc...? I am not trying to troll here or something, I just don't understand it.
I understand your point. I personally also find it "sufficient', as I'm bit curious by nature and mostly lookup stuff. But I'm aware of cross-platformers (our experiment) and cross-distro friends (e.g. a lot of fedora contributors, contribute to openSUSE as well) help who still want to help us with translations, artwork, marketing etc. So not in every case person starts on given platform. (Also don't forget about people who have problem to get openSUSE installed). Some people might be interested only in containers, wsl, etc and e.g. using Mac, so they'll never get in touch with openSUSE-branded konversation. I personally come from icq era, and I personally find it bit challenging to adopt (or perhaps better increase outreach) to communities on new communication channels as well :-)
Regards, Gryffus