On 6/2/23 04:37, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
The restrictions on those individuals lifted quite some time ago so until this week there was practically no moderation happening on any lists.
Right.
The board does sometimes choose to place certain members under moderation for a period if there has been complaints about their behavior at which time the moderation team will just review those posts.
Why isn't the "moderation team" actively following the lists they are assigned to? Seems dereliction of duty to me.
I think that's a general miss understanding, the moderation team were previously only moderating the emails of certain members as requested by the board.
I suggest it would be appropriate to document the duties of the "moderation team", as well as document who they are and how they are appointed and why/how they are qualified, i.e. their credentials.
That is fair, in other parts of the community, forums discord etc. The board or community appointed the first couple of moderators and after that those moderators are then responsible for deciding they need additional moderators and appointing people they believe are suitable from the community.
I can't help thinking that the current situation is oddly reminiscent of the old days of the DDR.
Anyone who goes to our CoC page:
https://en.opensuse.org/Code_of_Conduct
will notice that the "moderation team" also maintains and updates our CoC. I guess their duties were expanded at some point ?
I explicitly write "moderation team" in quotes, because there seems to be only one member contributing: https://code.opensuse.org/project/coc/commits/main
I was talking with members of the board at the openSUSE conference and we agreed that the best solution to the current issues was to put the lists on moderation while the board sorts through the complaints they have received.
Agree.
If the board would like the list more heavily retrospectively moderated by a mailing list moderation team rather then complaints just going directly to them that is something we can address in the future.
It is perhaps an issue of wording - a moderator usually actively moderates a debate, ready to act when someone oversteps the line. I was not aware that our "moderation team" only subsequently reviews the held queue.
Well yeah, in reality we never quiet got that far but also until the last couple of weeks there also hasn't really been anything that needed moderating. It also doesn't help that people were traveling, and personally I was sick otherwise I probably would have suggested putting the whole list on moderation sooner. In the future doing that sooner is probably an option, also in the future we could look at issuing warnings and putting individuals under moderation sooner so that the board doesn't have to act, in the same way that the board generally doesn't have to deal with issues that arise in the forums or on discord. But to do that Ideally we need to intergrate with the rest of the moderation teams so its easier to share info about who is being moderated where and why so issues don't just jump between platforms. Right now we are at the point where the board has already recieved a number of complaints and its easier just to let them resolve the issues. But in the future we can look at doing more if its needed. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B