Hello, Am Donnerstag, 26. November 2020, 16:33:47 CET schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> [11-26-20 06:39]:
Yeah for me the question is whether we address this "formally" by modifying the rules, or "informally" by running that previous process slightly more regularly. The 600 -> 400 was from the start of the project till 2016, I think once every 4-5 years is probably reasonable, otherwise we start to bug the false positives too much.
The 600 -> 400 shows that it wasn't done often enough and made the 20% clause technically a 30% clause, which makes the board basically untouchable. (In case you wonder - that's not only my own opinion, it was part of a board statement some years ago [1].) Therefore I'd vote for doing the cleanup once per year or every two years. Maybe it's a bit annoying, but it's worth it.
if you intend to continue in that manner, anyone attempting to publicly define "inactive" is kicking a dead horse.
Indeed ;-) The definition of an "active" member back then was (and I think it still makes sense) that someone at least cares enough to answer the mail and says "I want to stay a member". Of course, still being active (either detectable by the script [2] or doing other things like running conference booths) also counts. The only goal was to get rid of what the german term "Karteileiche" describes. ("Karteileiche literally means "card index corpse", but a) it looses a lot during the translation and b) that translation sounds more harsh than it's meant.) This makes defining inactive members easy: - no visible actions on mailinglists, bugzilla etc. (detectable by the script, if we continue to use it) - no answer to the mail asking if he/she wants to stay a member - having an outdated, undeliverable mail address as target of the @opensuse.org address so that the mail asking if he/she wants to stay a member can't be delivered Actually undeliverable mails might be the biggest risk to loose membership - for example, last time I checked, about 10 members still had their @novell.com address listed. And that's just the obvious and very visible part of non-deliverable mail addresses. (While speaking about this: if your @opensuse.org mail address points to an old/outdated mail address, write to admin AT opensuse.org to get it updated. Also note that changing the mail address in your openSUSE account isn't enough.) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2018-02/msg00015.html (search for "20%") [2] I remember that the script did "funny things" and flagged several quite active people as inactive. There also was the idea to simply send a mail to all members and to ask them if they still want to be a member. This might be slightly annoying for the members, but OTOH it's much easier to implement, more privacy-friendly, and avoids to upset active contributors who don't get detected as active - the non-random signature is from such a case ;-) -- The second mail worried me a bit, and hopefully in the 30 next secondes the bot send its apologies, that it still under drugs, and need a doctor. [Bruno Friedmann in opensuse-project]