On Fri, 27 May 2022, at 16:43, Georg Pfuetzenreuter wrote:
On 5/27/22 16:20, Syds Bearda wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2022, at 15:22, Lukáš Krejza wrote:
Dne pátek 27. května 2022 14:20:04 CEST, jdd@dodin.org napsal(a):
Le 27/05/2022 à 13:01, Lukáš Krejza a écrit :
Well, when you start Konversation, it automatically connects you to libera.chat and joins #opensuse channel.
but you have to wait when people hit the keyboard. It's real time. very boring
with mail you post the question and do other thinks during the wait, you can read 1 hour later
That's why it's called Instant Messaging after all. For more complex questions one should use Mailing List, which is little harder, but not too much i think, given everyone using computer and Internet should be already knowledgeable enough with email.
For smaller questions or when you need to actually discuss it in the realtime, IM is the right choice and IRC fulfills that enough - you don't need emoticons, animated gifs and streaming and whatever Discord offers in addition, when compared to IRC (and that insane memory footprint). When you ask question, you should stay online until someone replies. It is a question of politeness and respect I think.
why is it disrespectful to read a message later?
i’m usually on my laptop at different places and turn it off when i go somewhere else. even if i just closed the lid it would sleep and not connect to the internet anymore, so i’ll miss messages sent in that time.
FWIW, I agree with Gryffus.
I agree it's not as convenient as some of the more "modern" solutions you mentioned, but that's mainly due to the IRC servers/networks not implementing any of the new features IRCv3 offers. If we'd have, for example, and Ergo IRCd server, people joining after being offline would receive message history, and a web chat like Gamja would allow connection without the installation of any software. All the while pleasing "regular" IRC users by still allowing the use of their terminal IRC clients (which definitely are less of a barrier resource wise). I understand some people prefer new solutions, but want to note that it's not IRC itself being "bad", just that most people only experience IRC on legacy networks, leave it at that, and go comparing it to Matrix.
also i find it very easy to read telegram/matrix/discord on my phone when i’m AFK. haven’t found a good IRC solution for my phone yet. that doesn’t cost me my batterylife
i did try a shells VM for a while to create a IRC server for myself. but it was painfully slow to use and didn’t want to spend 20 euro a month for something i wouldn’t really use that much anyway.
Off-topic: I do not understand your regard on expense and performance - I do not know about this "Shells Server", but I do know that you get performant VPS for 1-5€ and some communities even offer free IRC bouncers - why you would pay 20€ a month for an IRC server is beyond me. Not that that is in any way relevant however - given my before mentioned note.
i agree this entire IRC conversation is off topic, but the shells VM is from a year ago [0]. they had a cheaper option then, but that was not useable. and the useable one was 20 euro a month. i believe they changed their prices now though.. [0] https://news.opensuse.org/2021/05/13/shells-opensuse-unite-with-partnership/
/Syds
Just my 2c
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