On 4/10/24 11:19 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op woensdag 10 april 2024 05:11:00 CEST schreef Simon Lees:
#opensuse-chat really should never be anyone's first interaction with the community, that is the roll of #opensuse. The roll of #opensuse-chat has always been for offtopic discussion allowing regular users of #opensuse to discuss things considered off topic there.
This extended to the point where on freenode we used to have a bot setup with the command "!offtopic <user>" which channel moderators could use to send a message saying. <user>: this current discussion is offtopic for #opensuse, please continue the discussion in #opensuse-chat.
Naturally over time a community of long term users have developed there and formed strong long term friendships, so I am hesitant to want to take that space away from them and occasionally if people get really off-topic on the main channel and someone else is looking for help we do still send people there.
In hindsight #opensuse-offtopic might be a better name but the channel has now existed in its current form since before I joined the project 15 years ago, so I think it'd take a pretty strong case to move it. Also unlike Matrix and Discord irc channels are not immediately discoverable so I wouldn't expect large numbers of new users to end up there.
For the record, I haven't always been regularly in that channel because at times in the past the volume of posts was far to high for me to keep up with. But semi regularly i'll join to have a chat with people i've know from #opensuse for many years. Sorry to say so, but this feels ( and will feel for others ) as a kick in the nuts of moderators and admins who try to keep the community safe. When we created the CoC we all agreed that these apply to all our platforms. No exceptions.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear in my previous email but absolutely the CoC does and should apply in this channel and people violating it should be banned. I thought that was implied from my previous reply in the thread. Having said that If "User1" has known "User2" for many years, I don't think that "User1" sending a message "/me farts at User2" as a morning greeting (and then User2 maybe farting back) would be considered a CoC violation. In almost all our communications spaces it'd be very much off topic but in what is mostly a social space its probably not off topic. Also i'm unsure how you'd write such guidelines for social channels and probably it should be up to the individual social channel to come up with any guidelines that are required beyond what's currently in the CoC. But again such behavior is obviously off-topic for our support and development channels and any members action's that violate the CoC should absolutely have appropriate action taken. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B