On 12/04/2013 03:10 AM, Joerg Stephan wrote:
Good morning,
besides all the discussion...
I took a look at distrowatch, and how it works isnt that clear to me, so i searched a bit and found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
as you can see, there are two entries where openSUSE is used, (round about 12 times Ubuntu, 4 times Fedora). Such migrations to linux are really good marketing.
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Sorry to ask, but after the mass of mails, what was the problem again?
After all, and please correct me:
One side: * we need to improve our internal process * we should improve on lifecycle (add servers) * we should improve mentorship (or lets say: we need to guide current users to be next contributors) * we need to restructure sides and structures (like teams, who is responsible/speaker/etc)
On the other side: * we have a huge contributor base * we have an incredible download count * we are pushing releases through the door every 18 months * we have an assful of people using obs and studio
So, normally i would say we need the "One side"-things to get a greater contributor base, or gain more downloads. But everything seems fine.
Yup, principally you are correct. However, what has been hit only tangentially in the discussion are the underlying issues for the discussion. Some of this is on the -factory list in the thread that Stephan started, some of it is in the threads on -project but somewhat hidden. The situation as it presents itself is roughly as follows: 1.) Factory has grown tremendously and the integration burden is becoming larger. For the most part a lot of this work ends up in Stephan's lap, that's not a good situation. First there is a bus factor of 1, second we cannot expect the man to do the same thing day in and day out for the rest of his live. This is a problem that needs to be resolved. 2.) With the transition from boosters to openSUSE Team the contribution areas of those paid by SUSE to work full time in the openSUSE community are changing. Rather than mopping up after everything, the team wants to do other stuff. That's fair enough every contributor, paid or unpaid has the right to contribute or not as they see fit. But this doesn't mean that the "mopping up" tasks suddenly vanish, it means that we have to figure out how to distribute the "mopping up" tasks around to more people. 3.) With 12.3 and 13.1 the quality of the release has improved significantly over previous releases. The cost of this was tremendous with a large chunk of the work load carried by the openSUSE Team. There is little to no interest to continue to repeat this every 8 month at the investment level that was necessary for 12.3 and 13.1 There are other sub points within the 3 major themes outlined above and possibly a couple of other high level points can be added, but this roughly sums up the space in which we are operating. Unfortunately the noise to signal ration was unfavorable when thinsg got going. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead Public Cloud Architect rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org