Hi Simon and others, Even though I'm not a board member I do have an opinion about "toilet humour". It has no place in an open and welcoming environment. If you want to forge a stable and caring community and strive together for a better product toilet humour is borderline bigotry. Appeasement is not something that contributes to that stable and caring community where newcomers and advanced users can exchange thoughts without name calling, insults, and threats. Letting these people roam free is a direct threat to that goal and the principles that are at the core of the CoC. I think the board needs to have a long hard look in the mirror and think if it is able to enforce the Code of Conduct. If not it is a dead letter and not worth the paper it's written on. When can those rules be not applied because it is only "Toilet Humour" and "Boys will be boys". You can't have it both ways. It's time to choose. Kind regards, Natasha Op do 11 apr 2024 om 09:23 schreef Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de>:
On 4/11/24 3:20 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2024-04-11 07:10, Simon Lees wrote:
It may have been in the past, it may still be at times now, however since recently rejoining the channel I am yet to see any such behavior which makes it very hard to take any action. Even the loose example I gave on this list is years old at this point and not something I have personally seen recently.
If you or anyone else have any RECENT examples of such behavior please email them to board@ so that action can be taken as appropriate. Currently we don't have any concrete examples and therefore can't do much other then monitor the situation and hope that things stay pleasant.
If they do not then of course we will actually be able to take action.
Simon,
The RECENT behaviour I have issue with is as follows:
Your suggestion in this discussion that unacceptable tone between “long running friends” is somehow acceptable.
As someone who has been the parent of 4 year olds, one thing I learned is there is a time and place for "Toilet Humor", while my children are now older sometimes being on the board feels a lot like once again being the parent of a 4 year old.
In my personal opinion most Toilet humor likely isn't against the CoC. It is almost certainly off topic in almost all our communication channels, but I tend to lean towards it not being so in our social channels unless it is constant repeated and annoying.
Also
Your failure to address the concerns of our moderators in this thread that you are not supporting them as a Board member.
Our CoC should be applied consistently or not at all.
This is a topic that has already been long learned by the Board. They once trod the path of holding some members to stricter standards than others just because some members have a higher public profile.
As one of those with such a profile, I found it grossly unfair that I had to be more careful with what I said in _any_ (not just openSUSE) venues or else risk the wrath of the Board.
Given the Board made it clear at the time that they wouldn’t be lowering the standards I have to adhere to (rightly so I might add) the only satisfactory conclusion was the premise that all future cases would be treated to that same strict standard.
That is how our moderators operate
They deserve your support, or the project deserves a better Board
The original complaint the board received was about some "Toilet Humor" in #opensuse making its way from irc to matrix over the bridge. In the context of #opensuse this is very much off topic, in the context of #opensuse-chat this really isn't enough info to take any action on.
During the period of writing this email Someone has said something which is clearly a CoC violation and has been given a one and only warning, which I believe is fair if we are going to start properly enforcing higher standards after many years. Personally I'm slightly supprised its taken this long. But equally while I expect the CoC to be upheld I also don't believe in punishing people without evidence and due process.
During the process of writing this email, the board has also been given some more specific information about other instances that are more then just "Toilet Humor" and are clear CoC violations which again means appropriate action can actually be taken.
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