Thanks alot for the insight Henne, I don't think Bryen wanted to rant about Novells hosting here, I think this was more about if Novell would be willing to host such "renegade" material ;-) and thus request a light grip on the content that goes through the planet. Btw is there something like that for lizards, like "don't mention xyz external opensuse community project"? Karsten Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 15:43:38 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hi,
On 03/19/2010 12:41 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
If we were to set up planet.opensuse.org (and I agree it would be nice), we would have to relinquish at least *some* control of the planet's server management to Novell.
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But until then, planet.opensu.se is the way to go.
I'm sorry but there seems to be much confusion about how the openSUSE project handles its infrastructure. Let me explain:
We have a bunch of projects, a lot of infrastructure, different types of hosting and different ways of administering something.
The landing page, the wikis and the wordpress instances are hosted in the Provo datacenter. The DNS and the mail exchange are hosted in the Nürnberg datacenter. The reason for this is that they are very high traffic and the face for the project so we want them to be very reliable. Which means you put them in a datacenter where you get 24/7 support, a lot of bandwidth and good maintenance of the services and the underlying OS. Of course the party that delivers this to you (Novell IT in this case) will only do so if they call the shots. So we have to go through hoops (open a bug, create a ticket or send a mail) if we want to have something changed, but these hoops are just the price you pay for the very good service they deliver. And they are very minimal. Development of the services happens in a SCM and once something is done we push Novell IT to deploy it. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can participate in the development of these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.
The Build Service and all of the services connected to it (download, software, hermes etc), openFATE, the mailinglists, users, tube, help, connect, retro and so on are hosted in openSUSE's cage here in Nürnberg. Here you have someone from the specific openSUSE sub-project that cares for maintaining these services and hosts. So for instance Adrian does OBS administration, I administer the mailinglists, Pavol cares for connect and so on. But basically it's the same principle. Development of these services happens in a SCM and instead of pinging someone from Novell IT to deploy it we do it ourself. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can develop these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.
Some of our services are hosted by individuals. Like the planet, live, opensuse-community, packman, webpin, search or the software portal. Most of these services are also developed in some SCM and here you have to trigger the individuals to deploy something. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can develop these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.
There seems to be a widely spread misunderstanding that you have to be a Novell employee and need to have the right to deploy software or more in general you have to be root to be able to administer something. This is, as you can see above, not true.
Despite of that we are currently working to make exactly this possible. For the reason to have another task in the openSUSE project where people can do something for the project and take responsibility. This means we try to make it possible for everybody to take up the task of software deployment or machine administration and things like that. We open up for contributions from sysadmins. And by the way we already have community.o.o where you can host a service and be a sysadmin. You just have to talk to Darix and he will figure out with you what setup fits best for it. So as you can see we're already very far and having a foundation will bring other benefits like paying for services individuals host and these money related things but it won't change anything regarding the technical aspect of machines and service administration.
Henne
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