On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 09:55 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 06/12/2018 08:50 AM, martin@pluskal.org wrote:
On Mon, 2018-06-11 at 21:46 +0200, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:
isn't disrupted by plans and preparations for a social event.
Felix, this a completely unrespectful insinuation, next to completely ridiculous. What makes you think so low about people from the community? Disappointing and IMNSHO deserves an apology to those organing the conference and those that were there.
Indeed it is ridiculous - I wonder what put Felix into position to pass such judgements, not only about release but also about conference - it is far from "social gathering". If Felix was involved either with planning of conference or with releasing Leap he would know that there is actually very little overlap between people involved in each, therefore there is no risk of one influencing other.
Calm down folks. Felix was talking about people *attending* the conference prepare for their trip and don't test. And there is indeed some overlap for those testing.
But in all fairness: this is just normal business. Releases are tested *way* more and in *way* more scenarios than any milestone - plus people love to create drama for bugs in the release while they consider problems in betas 'normal'. You might remember only previous Leap releases, but those were boring service pack updates. None of it included as drastic changes as Leap 15. And for previous (non-leap) openSUSE releases, it has always been the same story. Afterwards we discussed if Betas shouldn't have been more tested or if we shouldn't have had more Release Candidates, or ....
And not sure about Felix, but I would expect most grownups to be able to prepare for a weekend trip in a reasonable time that doesn't block them from any other activity they wanted to do.
One would assume so, but "...last weeks' testing time isn't disrupted by plans and preparations for a social event." - I also hope that for most people preparations for attending conference takes less ... That being said I would like to express my hope that people interested in manually testing Leap before release realize that last week before release is a bit late (if you expect to have some impact on what is released as iso). Cheers M