On 4/10/24 18:52, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 12:23 PM Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:49:24 +0200, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Sorry to say so, but this feels ( and will feel for others ) as a kick in the nuts of moderators and admins who try to keep the community safe. When we created the CoC we all agreed that these apply to all our platforms. No exceptions. The mods have over a long time received complaints about our IRC and this message implicitely dismisses those complaints. Needless to say that I firmly disagree with that.
I concur with this position. Either the CoC applies in all of the openSUSE community spaces, or it is not useful.
Being "technically not in violation of the CoC" isn't sufficient, IMO. Violating the spirit of the CoC is just as bad as violating the letter of it. It's about intent.
As I understand it, one of the ops in that channel is someone who violated the forum rules repeatedly over years and got themselves banned from the forums permanently. I cannot fathom how someone who repeatedly violates the rules of one of our community spaces is still allowed to be a moderator in another area.
The answer is that it is not acceptable. I do not want someone who was banned in one area to be in charge of another. That's dangerous.
"Because it's always been there" is not a good reason to do nothing.
If people want to sit around and make fart jokes, there are plenty of places on the Internet to do that that are not associated with the openSUSE name. That it's not easily findable isn't the issue. Bad behavior that is hidden is still bad behavior.
If the majority of the board feels the way Simon does, then I'm not sure where that leaves us.
I don't think that's the feeling of the majority of the board. From the meeting in question, it was mostly reluctance to do something when Simon and Georg were telling us it's fixable. Gertjan, Doug, and I all basically said that we need to see this improve.
So the board's position is that the status quo isn't acceptable.
In the last board meeting Simon confirmed that there are no issues with the channel. Quoting the meeting minutes from 2024-04-08: """ * Simon has been monitoring ... and found not need for moderation for the time being. """ I do not understand this lobbying against IRC from people who do not frequent the respective IRC channels themselves (and partially ones who do not even like IRC as a whole) - and I especially do not understand why this discussion is starting again after the topic was considered closed. I am permanently present in #opensuse and it is a welcoming place where people receive help and learn about openSUSE. Also people joining from IRC frequently help users on the Matrix end and vice versa.