-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-10 11:26, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag den 9. maj 2015 19:24:52 skrev Richard Brown:
So, if we're not compromising on speed because we have Tumbleweed, why should we compromise on Stability for our Regular Release?
Because those are the two extremes that each appeal to very few people. Others have tried this before (Gentoo, Arch, Debian Unstable on the one side, CentOS and Debian Stable on the other).
Most people don't want bleeding edge or enterprise grade stability. They want the middleground, i.e. a good balance of reasonable stability and reasonable (consumer) hardware support and fairly up-to-date applications.
Exactly. We are three groups... and the majority of users is IMO in that middle ground.
If you're primarily motivated because "every release I get all the new stuff", then please, use Tumbleweed, and if it's not perfect for you, help us make it better.
Tumbleweed will never be an option, no matter how good it becomes, it will still be rolling. Hence I will not use it and I can barely recommend it to anyone.
Same here.
If you're motivated to use openSUSE because "I want a Linux distribution that just works", then please, help us with this new Regular Release, in order to make it perfect for you use cases.
Well, if you're going to sell this idea, you need to show me how it'll be significantly different than Debian Stable (apart from having a few great tools like yast, zypper, obs of course ;-).
Because from what I gather from the discussion, assuming anyone would actually step up and build this distro, it'll have:
* a release every 2-3 years * it'll have outdated hardware support compared to any mainstream distro * old software (primarily talking about applications and desktop environments here, the stuff that people actually "see") * it'll be very stable * the lifetime will be at "least 3 years" (i.e. not 5-6-7 years)
So to me that sounds very much like Debian Stable. And people have already voted with their feet on that. There is very limited interest from users and developers alike - apart from the home/small office server niche. On the desktop it is virtually non-existent.
If you could convince us that this distro could somehow achieve competitive hardware support of random newish cheapo laptops (wifi, power management etc.) and have applications that don't represent the state of the free software world of 2-4 years past - while maintaining hyper stability. Then maybe it could become interesting. But I can't see how that's possible.
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