On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 15:19 +0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Benji Weber wrote:
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You keep stating that you are unhappy with the terminology and approach. If you can suggest an improvement to either than please state it. It is difficult to understand your viewpoint when you are only criticising and not suggesting alternatives. If you were the board, what would you do?
I know what your are trying to do here, but it doesn't work this way. I would not have introduced such a membership in the first place (in particular if it was only introduced to hand out email addresses), therefore my alternative is clear. However, some people (the board) decided to adopt a code of conduct (although the discussion was diverse), some people decided to implement such a membership, some people decided about the criteria, etc. The community was only informed afterwards. Since everything is now already in place and the criteria etc are applied, you can't change it anymore (you can only adjust it, and even that would be problematic), you can't go back.
I don't see it the same way as you do. I think the Board has been very open in hearing your discussion and may eventually adjust or even rescind, based on feedback here on this mailing list. I do not get the impression that the Board is ruling with some iron fist and that their "edicts" are now written in stone that can't be changed back. This membership has only been in effect for less then a week, hardly stuck in a non-forward/reverse mode. What is wrong with the Board finding ways to try to give recognition to people who contribute to openSUSE in various ways? They even state that the bar isn't very high on qualifying for membership. This discussion is, in my opinion, getting a little out of hand, because some people are making it out to be more than what it is. It isn't a membership of exclusivity, but simply a membership of recognition. If you seek clarification, then like Benjamin stated, propose some wording to make it clearer, and easier for people to become members.
I am getting somewhat tired of having to repeat the arguments why I think it was not such a good approach just because you don't like what I say and try to disregard me and my opinion.
I don't see how Benjamin's response to you was meant to imply disregard for you and your opinion. On the contrary, he was asking for clarification. If you don't think your arguments of the past have been heard, then re-write your arguments to get the point across better. I happen to agree with Benjamin that your arguments have been somewhat vague and I don't fully understand what it is you are trying to point out either.
Take it as is - as I said, we don't have to agree. Let's see how the whole thing will work out in the future, some people are obviously very keen on getting an opensuse.org email address. Fair enough. This is definitely the last email from me in this thread. If you want to respond, send a PM. I think many subscribers aren't really interested in this discussion.
You complain earlier about the Board making decisions by assumption. Yet, aren't you just as guilty in assuming that "many subscribers aren't really interested in this discussion."? You're making a decision for me that apparently I'm not interested in this discussion. While I haven't spoken up much on this thread, it doesn't mean I'm not interested. I think it is perfectly relevant and topical to -project mailing list. There have been many different people participating on this thread and it is clear from the responses of Board Members that they are just as equally interested in hearing this discussion as well and making changes where necessary to better support the openSUSE community. There's also the chronic problem in any political situation. Supporters tend to be less vocal than dissenters. Assuming that is the case here, I would venture to guess many here have supported the Board's actions of late. And quite honestly, I would be somewhat embarrassed by any outsiders looking in on our discussion here and seeing that we have people who object to what amounts to a virtual pat on the back by the Board of openSUSE's contributors. And that's really what all this boils down to. The Board wants to show appreciation. And I, frankly, appreciate the Board's appreciation.
Regards, Th.
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