So we have problems scheduling releases, due to difficulty of shipping physical disks. Bugs found in -RC1, don't get fixed for GM, despite tested fixes being available more than a week before release. There's some feeling been shown by Novell staff, that too few ppl are testing Beta's and RC's. Some reviewers, complain about quality of release, and user 'acceptance testing'. Certainly in my experience, 10.3 took a month to get solid. This time, I've found a regression in 11.1 on a different, for a machine that I got a kernel patch to fix in -RC1. If the media is not going to become a Coaster, if it's going to be really useful, and be something that installs really widely on supported hardware without opening the case, or entering geeky boot parameters. Why doesn't openSUSE ship, a net .0 (for uh oh) release, for the early adopters on the net, and then go to GM with a X.Y.1 release, once the stuff has stabilised? May be that'd jeopardise box set sales? But if that's tried for 11.2, then : 11.2.0 - Core System, KDE 4.3, GNOME 2.24 (Net Only) 11.2.1 - Core + fixes, KDE 4.3 + fixes, GNOME 2.28 (Final, Physical Media, plus updates DVD ISO's and Live CD's) There's a huge amount of time getting wasted on intall over the product life cycle, and you may well have to update Net Install and Live CD iso's anyway for 11.1 when huge swathes of common hardeware that ppl try it on don't work acceptably. When installing is a pain, it makes us loathe to mess with it, and less likely to help when something labelled 'alpha' comes along a few months later, because the expectation is for it to be problematic, when the main release was. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org