Hi, Top-post on purpose CAN WE PLEASE PUT THIS BEHIND US NOW? The vote is done we should move on. The constant back and forth and the events of the recent past have left many with a bad taste in their mouth and have had their effect, see James' request to have his membership cancelled. Continuing the back and forth is not really going to help us recover, which will be hard enough as it is. Please Please Please stop. Thanks, Robert On 7/17/20 9:56 AM, Klaas Freitag wrote:
Am 17.07.20 um 15:29 schrieb Richard Brown:
Hi Richard,
please stay cool.
... The boards detractors have had their chance to force a different direction, they barely met half of the already low threshold to force a re-election. My point was not about the board. I have never considered the openSUSE board and all the ding dong around it that important tbh.
I wanted to bring up an alternative thought how the governance of the project could be changed in the future.
Let’s end that train of thought resolutely here and nowIf this kind of comments are handled this way, I will happily keep my
mouth shut and go elsewhere, no worries.
Have fun, Klaas
On 17. Jul 2020, at 14:46, Klaas Freitag <freitag@opensuse.org> wrote:
Am 14.07.20 um 16:40 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
I wonder if people who started and/or support the petition have any idea, or better, plan, what to do next. Many problems with the Board were pointed out, but were there clear evidences to convince people to sign the petition? We'll see. And if the petition succeeds, what will be next? Who will run for the Board under current situation? Of course, such argumentation is not sufficient to not sign the petition, I just wish to point out, that destroying is easier than creating and I wonder if anyone has any plan, how to make the project great again...? ;-)
Great question. Yes, destroying is easier. I would consider 'not changing' a slow way of destruction.
Now with the result of the petition at hand, I think the board should not go back "to normal", but consider to change things drastically. It has turned out that the current governance model of openSUSE has not succeeded in improving the projects relevance nor to unite the contributors behind a common goal or vision.
OTOH openSUSE is heavily depending on SUSE company, technically (all the work of SUSE R&D) and financially and also in the way it can evolve.
IMHO that should be clearly admitted, and instead of trying to decrease the influence of SUSE and manage openSUSE independently (which would fail big times with the current setup), openSUSE should move closer to SUSE company and also put the governance of the project more under the hat of SUSE.
So concretely the plan could be:
1. The new openSUSE Board (after the election) decides to dissolve itself in the current form at a specific date in lets say 15 month later. 2. A group of people of community and SUSE company is formed to work on a proposal for a new governance model for openSUSE, in tight cooperation with SUSE. The board as an institution does not have a saying in this, only individual contributors (which can be board members of course). 3. The new governance model will become reality on day one after the current board dissolved itself, or, if there is none, the project will be dissolved completely and people can fork parts or whatever.
Maybe this will finally generate enough dynamic on all involved sides to stop bickering and answer the important questions.
Klaas
PS: I haven't checked with the bylaws. PPS: I wonder myself that I am proposing this, years ago I would have argued the direct opposite. But today I think it is the most constructive way of creating a perspective for openSUSE.
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