On 4/11/24 01:24, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2024-04-11 09:23, Simon Lees wrote:
If those volunteers choose to no longer do that work, the Board will be increasingly burdened with more such nonsense, nonsense which you could have left to our moderators if you trusted them.
I know that as of this thread, Attila is has already ceased moderating reddit and telegram. Shawn will be using his upcoming vacation to decide whether or not to continue working inside openSUSE. If he chooses not to I expect the death of his Kalpa project.
This is already causing a greater loss to the openSUSE project than sensible moderation, or even the entire removal of #opensuse-chat would have been.
I hope you re-evaluate your priorities as a Board member going forward because I do not think this is a sensible operating model.
I'll be honest, this interaction has basically killed my faith in the board to do the things it claims to do. If the only way that any action can be taken, is for egregious, obvious, and documented violations of the Code of Conduct, then it's not worth the bits it takes up on a drive somewhere. I fully support having a Code of Conduct, but there are people that know *exactly* how to play the game, and toe right up to the edge of documented rules and codes of conduct, and stand there, and basically do whatever they want, without "technically" violating said rules, or code. It's a game for them. The user(s) in question have a documented track record, going back *years*, They are permanently banned from *some* parts of the project for their conduct, which is also documented. And nothing has been done. Obviously this board can't be held fully responsible for the actions, or lack of actions of past boards, that would be unreasonable, but to just brush under the rug, that past evidence, really makes *me* question exactly what it is that these user(s) bring to the project that is so damned valuable, that we're willing to continually tolerate their behavior. So yes. Completely coincidentally, and for me, unfortunately the timing is working out, that I've got 24 hours of driving coming up starting at 0600 Friday Morning, where I get to sit in my truck, alone, and really have a good long hard think, about whether this is a project that I'm willing to continue to volunteer my time and effort to. And another 24 hours of the same on the way home in a couple weeks. So lots of time to think. I'm not so egotistical that I think me deciding to stop contributing means anything in the grand scheme of things, to anybody other than myself, and my own peace of mind, and I hate making ultimatums, so I'm not doing so. But If the board can't be trusted to manage users with a clear track record of poor behavior even if that behavior isn't *technically* crossing the line where the Code of Conduct applies, exactly how can the board be trusted to handle more subtle issues, where the Code of Conduct might not come into play at all? Right now, the board doesn't have that trust from me. For what that's worth. If there were a mechanism for a vote of no-confidence in the current board and or governance structure of the project, I'd be seriously considering calling for it.