2009/1/2 Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@suse.de>:
Carlos E. R. escribió:
I think it would be better to delay the box and add the first month or two of patches.
Im sorry, but that makes abosolutely no sense to me, look only like a massive waste of the already reduced resources we have.
What positive suggestion would you make to improve the boxset release quality, presuming you agree that the current model of a whole load of alpha, beta and rc releases, where release label are "not predictive of quality" and "there are too few alpha & beta testers", with many joining at rc stage (too late)? Scanning buglist, forum and email list, will show up a whole slew of issues, which need fixes asap, for a large number of previous users of openSUSE. 2009/1/3 Bryen <suserocks@bryen.com>:
On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 17:15 -0600, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 01:25 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Of course I don't expect that, and I did phrase that comment misleadingly. What I mean is why are we releasing with known bugs that are apparently pretty visible to users on the desktop, as some have reported.
There's three answers to that. 1) Testing, 2) Testing, 3) Testing.
The problems we face are not enough testing and too close to end of cycle when more people start testing. And the other thing about "bugs", is that sometimes it has to be in combination with how you use the machine. I'm finding a relatively smooth experience on my 11.1 box
So... more Testing, Testing, Testing as early on as possible. The extended period for 11.2 might yield better results for us because it gives us all more time to test. -- Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member
At last, someone with an official position who seems to see that there is a problem; which is absolutely clear, if you spent time answering 11.1 problems on forum or in opensuse mail list around the release. When issue are denied and made light of, particularly from @suse.de or @novell.com email addresses; there is going to be damage to community relations. 10.3 had a longer release cycle, on the 3 systems I had, it was at least as problematic, and some network drivers were intimittently broken, which caused lots of confusing symptoms and misleading bug reports. So many issues, that "fatigue" set in, and thoughts of installing an alpha, or beta release; with presumed even lower quality were quietly shelved. Without some change to the proposed release plan, many alpha's & beta's, couple of rc's, with 1 big main release; I would expect to see exactly the same problems all over again. Having installation iso's which don't boot, have an opportunity cost to openSUSE's user base, and eventually to Novell's SLE because of the weaker community. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org