On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Klaas Freitag <freitag@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 07.12.2012 10:23, Agustin Benito Bethencourt wrote: Hi,
What do we have to do at SUSE to get more people involve in the Release process?
Make it actually possible to let people participate. That is: Convince the people who do it to be open and let others learn while they do, provide a loose time frame needed for volunteering work, try everything to make the release work fun and excitement :-)
Agreed
Do we need to define targets for our distribution or that is a role for deployers and third parties?
Who are we if not developers or third parties? Haven't we discussed enough about targets, strategies, processes and such? That never worked out in a big frame. Yet, things like "E17 on openSUSE" seem to work. And that is because some people with interest on E17 sit down, meet each other, coordinate and get shit (oh, naughty word!!) work done. Do you think the definition of a goal would have incubated that?
Completegely agreed
What aspects of SUSE work in openSUSE can we improve in 2013?
If XMas-Man asked me, I'd say: I do not want to hear the "we at SUSE working on openSUSE..."-phrase permanentely. Is it important now where an active community member works? Well, maybe sometimes, we all know that, but I think its mentioned to often recently while it should not be important. You are community, as we are, or not?
I agree, lets throw out that element of surprise "We at SUSE are doing this" sounds very misaligned Rather let us sound something like this "Hey, We want to do this, are you ok with it or we need your participation in it?" One of the examples (not related to SUSE in itself, but community in general) that I can give is of opensuse-marketing, back in 11.2 and 11.3, we just had pointers for release notes and the marketing team used to step up voluntarily and do it, then later on we decided that the meetings were too boring and had lots of trash and then we cut them off too, then we formed the news mailing list, which initially worked very well, but later on we got no more new members in it because it was a closed mailing list stopping participation and then later on we stopped discussing altogether on -marketing mailing lists, because everything was done by few guys. openSUSE Conference had its own team and no need to publicize etc etc and the role instead of expanding got limited to SoCNet and news If we look look closely at this process, we can actually learn a lot of things : Even though it is easier doing it ourselves, we should always ask and give the community ample time to stand up. Sometimes we do not get any reply to it and I know it is very very frustrating but that is a part atleast for a few of the people from the community, who should be head strong and keep on pushing the community for things that are better for the community and ensure that there is some means of influx of new community members. We should agree on this, not burning out old members is very important and that can be done with getting new comers in the field. I really believe that SUSE has its own goals and it is very good to have them, but I also think, SUSE should have some pretty long term goals that will instigate the community when there is no SUSE leadership. There are very good examples to it in our own community like the GNOME, KDE and ARM related projects.
Furthermore I'd wish that more people from other SUSE groups than the openSUSE team again join openSUSE and actively contribute. That is something the SUSE openSUSE team could work on.
In general.....in which aspects should SUSE focus its activity for 2013 (in openSUSE)?
- try to make the distribution really good again. It is very good, but the spice, that makes it exceptional is missing here and there. - try to be an attractive project, especially for high profile people. These do not like discussions, but like to get on the technical point and do stuff. They're also not seeking out for too much rules, predefined leadership and these kind of things. More fun. - Play the trump: It's the OBS that has a big share of openSUSE's excellence. For that, it imo plays a too little role. Think more of openSUSE as the OBS powered system that makes OBS more beneficial for the users. Needs a bit phantasy I admit... Could go on, but probably its already way too far...
open-slx is an example of the opportunities openSUSE has to become "business friendly" Open Source Press is another example. Transforming openSUSE into a business friendly ecosystem will be a major topic in the coming new action plan.
I really had to read the sentence with openslx a couple of times. This can't be serious. Have you ever talked to someone involved?
Apart from that, I do not understand the 'business-friendly' idea. Which business could be interested? IF businesses support linux distros, they will aim for all distros and not limit themselves to player two or so. And last but not least I fail to understand how the "new action plan" can "transform" openSUSE, which is our project, to something like a "business...ecosytem"? Who does such an action plan and who executes it?
Klaas
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