On pią, Apr 19, 2019 at 12:39 PM, Klaas Freitag <freitag@opensuse.org> wrote:
Am 19.04.19 um 09:21 schrieb Simon Lees:
The board is still in the early stages of discussing such a change, at the moment we are still looking at various options, during the board face 2 face the week before oSC we plan to come up with one or several or no concrete proposals that we will present at oSC to start discussing more broadly with the community.
Ok. As we did in the past. All the discussions lacked one thing for me: The vision what openSUSE will do, what it will head for, how it will stay relevant if it loosens the relationship with SUSE. And how that will be beneficial to the project and whole community.
As long as that can not be nailed down by somebody and being presented clearly and documented, my feeling is that discussions about the "how" to set up a foundation are pointless. Been there, done that, /me being a mummy of openSUSE.
It is kind of hard, what is the point of openSUSE in its current form? There is no real plan to where the openSUSE project is going to go in the next week, not to mention long term goals. Current projects revolve around keeping the distributions working and easier to contribute to (openQA, OBS, release tools), easier team collaboration (trollo, jangouts), system setup and configuration (uyuni, yast), so I guess the goals should stay consistent with this, making it easier to use and improve the free software ecosystem, beyond just improving the distributions.
What else could that be than "fundamental things" that would drive us away? If Mom is doing the laundry and serving lunch on Sundays, why would you ever move out? Not for practical reasons, right?
On the other hand given EQT's business model it is almost certain that at some point in the future SUSE will be sold again or publicly listed, and given the current good working relationship between SUSE and openSUSE it is likely easier to have such discussions now vs in the future should someone buy SUSE and install new management that doesn't value openSUSE in the same way the current management does.
Maybe. No change to the past: SUSE was most of the time in the situation of being a good candidate for being sold. But yes, having discussions is good, but I would put the tune carefully. Why not have discussions about real commitments what SUSE does for openSUSE, and have that documented and put in public? Being a more important and officially tighter coupled part of SUSE would put openSUSE in a better position when SUSE again changes the owner in the future, no?
There would be topics enough to discuss I think, and to try to get real commitments from SUSE. A few examples:
a) Commitment to keep openSUSE as base distro for SUSE's enterprise products. How would openSUSE look like if SUSE suddenly jumps on a deb based distro to ship interesting enterprise applications? What would currently hinder SUSE to do that? b) Lots of infrastructure topics c) Investments of workforce into the build service for example.
Infrastructure is a hard topic, both SUSE and openSUSE depend on MF to do a lot of stuff still. Some kind of commitment on licensing would also be a nice addition, just so software that openSUSE depends on won't just get closed out of nowhere. Add that as a `d)` :P
We are obviously still working through this and a number of other issues but once we have all the info we need we will present it to the community in a clear way, we are not at that point yet.
When you say "we" here, you mean the board, right? Feels strange to me that this kind of important topic is worked through by the board and later be presented to the community. But maybe that is only me.
The entire thing started of with both community reviving old Foundation talks and board being interested in the topic due to financing issues. Believe me that community, while less vocal on mailing list, is still very much in talks about this stuff on discord and matrix, discussing infrastructure changes and overall changes that will have to be done to go through with that. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org