Hey, On 15.07.24 04:41, Tony Walker wrote:
On 7/10/24 13:15, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 10.07.24 18:45, Tony Walker wrote:
On 7/10/24 09:19, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Don't get me wrong, those are things that may need to happen in one form or another. Power also will have to be exercised in one form or another in bad situations. But those activities have next to *no* effect on the sustainability of this community.
While I don't agree entirely here (described in a different email), structure (or formalization) and building power are not necessarily connected. Formalization can also protect open and democratic processes from abuse.
Having more formalized "governance" to protect our democratic processes from abuse would be a nice solution *if* we would have this problem. But we don't.
Yes, that is exactly why I used that phrase. I hoped that an elder of the project who might see this as a recruiting problem might take the opportunity the new person (me) provided.
While each of us may use a different word or phrase, this is recurring problem on the various email lists. I see it when people point to a lack of transparency or inclusion, for example. The discussion I have seen over the last few months told me that the governance model is broken. Whether temporary or inherent, it hurts recruiting.
The formal "governance" we have is no governance :-) People, and it seems to me you do too, seem to largely misunderstand the role of the openSUSE Board as an legislative entity that makes up the rules, hands out responsibility and exerts oversight over the project. While our guiding principles clearly state that the openSUSE Board is the (glorified) group of people that broker conflict resolution and communication. We don't have anyone that could "delegate some responsibility solely to some team", we have people that form some team and *take* responsibility over some topic. We as a community need to figure out *functioning* teams of maintainers for the topics we need. We need to figure out what we need to change to keep the teams we *have* working and what is needed to grow those teams and what we need to provide so it's easier to build teams maintainers in openSUSE. What we don't need, in my opinion, is building "governance" structure for people to tell others what to do OR a new brand. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson