Do you know what is really ridiculous? It's when somebody who claims to be an expert and long term SuSE community member (I don't want to mention any names, but I could) with a track record of violent and rude
And for the record, I am an expert and long term SUSE community member, I dont really claim that all the time nor I have the deep need to go tell that to everybody and tell everyone desperately to look at me, because oh I am so cool because I have a terrible ego problem. Those who know me, knows enough if I am, or I am not an expert, or long time community member, or what I did or didnt, or whatever. And do you know whats ridiculous for me? Its when I read an email about people complaining about irc in the mail-list, instead of the irc channel. Additionally, I find ridiculous when somebody sends an email saying that the solution for all the problems in the mail-list is to create a "system" where he and others could "moderate" the things without "having access to the mail server". And of course, its also ridiculous when instead of dicussing the problem, they start with offtopic in the thread, discussing about meritocracy in industries and the definition of the word meritocracy. Thats plain ridiculous. I also find terribly ridiculous when people instead of doing things, they invent lots of tasks to other people do, instead of doing themselves. Its the most easy thing to sit down and start to distributing orders, and arrogantly say that everything is wrong, and that it would be much better if we had a crazy bureaucracy and a "system to let people moderate without having access to the mailserver". Its terrible when clueless people dont show the respect and dont even know people are working on stuff. And instead of helping, no, they just want to distribute orders. And instead of helping, no, they want to send an email to the list and force people to give them the so called privileges, just because other 5 people who are often too much ignorant about what is going on will send an email saying "yeah, wow wee, we should really have a mega moderation system with the heaviest bureaucracy one can ever imagine, because that will solve the problem woohoo". And as one person have said earlier in this thread, when somebody joins the opensuse mail-list and say "opensuse are incompetent, and if he could, he would sue everybody", I find that as agressive, as pricky, as terrible as somebody "being aggressive". When somebody starts crossposting from opensuse-offtopic, somebody that supposedly knows how to handle a mail client like a pro (enough to flood mailboxes with 4GB of crap), I find that aggressive. And when somebody starts distributing orders and forcing stuff to other people, instead of doing something, I find that aggressive. When somebody sends an email to the list saying Novell should sell SLES for 10 dollars just because he wants so, I find that aggressive, because in the end they are saying to the developers that their job is worthless. When somebody comes to a list to tell how irc should be handled, I find that aggressive, because I dont see those people on IRC showing why we should do what they've said. When I see people talking about what they dont understand like they were the real pros on the issue, I find that aggressive, because ego-driven lunatics should not be putting their ego in front of the collective, which they often do. The most aggressive thing, though, in my opinion, is some people in the mail-list, instead of putting themselves and their egos away, in favour of the project, or in favour of getting things done, no, they start their ego problems and wants to put themselves and their coolness factor in the lists in 1st place, and try to look cool, and try to show off, instead of quietly at least let the others do their work. They need to show to the planet how cool they are, how l33t hackers they are. They need to go to endless discussions, they need to start crazy offtopics, they need to answer every single email, even those that they have no idea about the topic. But hopefully its not everyone. So, Thomas, you may think you get the big picture, that you really understand the masterplan... But maybe you dont. Thanks for your input, hope you are feeling better now, if you feel like being the judge, I dont mind sincerely. Everybody is an expert, until you have to put your hands to work. Best Regards Marcio Ferreira --- Druid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org