On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 15:18 +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
On 2019-10-02T13:44:21, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
But this discussion evolved around a pretty incomplete problem statement which vaguely describes the reality (the current state) BUT COMPLETELY omits the ideal (the desired state for the project) we want to end up with, also the consequences (the impact on the project) this decision has. And most importantly it also omits the proposal (describing the potential solutions to handle the impact) how we are going to achieve this name change. All of this is unclear as of today!
Indeed.
Name changes create a *huge* effort down the line, loss of awareness etc.
Before someone can put forward a coherent argument as to the why *and* the how for this option, a vote should IMNSHO not be held.
Not holding this vote now commits the Project and it's Board to a long drawn out series of negotiations with SUSE regarding the possibilities of the Foundation being able to own or use the openSUSE Trademarks. It's entirely possible, even with the negotiations carried out in good faith and with the best of goodwill, that the outcome of those negotiations result in the Foundation not being able to use the openSUSE marks to the satisfaction of the Board or the community at large. And in the event of such an outcome the community will be either effectively forced to retain the name but not operate an independant foundation under that name (hindering its effectiveness - see: the lessons cited by the Board in their investigation from the TDF/LibreOffice differences), or forced to change the name. Personally speaking, I'd rather we have this vote, so we know where the community stands on the topic. If we vote for a name change, we know the route and can focus on that as a collective group, playing our strongest hand as a community because we've chosen it. If we vote against a namechange, we give the Board the strongest hand possible in their complex negotiations with SUSE because it makes it crystal clear what we want and what the stakes are if they fail to come to a satisfactory aggreement. Leaving the question open, just makes things harder for everyone in the short, medium, and long terms in my view. -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg HRB 247165, AG München GF: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org