-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-05-09 19:24, Richard Brown wrote:
But look at how noisy our mailinglists have been because of it.. Quoting Raymond from the other thread "Why otherwise to upgrade from 13.2, if you get nothing newer in return." - This mindset "we must ship the latest of everything, because that's what's awesome" is a very prevalent mindset in our community. It could practically be the Tumbleweed development motto.
I think you misunderstand. IMO his meaning is, why update from 13.2 to 13.3, if 13.3 (based on SLES) will be older than 13.2?
But again look at how noisy our mailinglists have been because of this mindset We have other users who crave stability. Who pick openSUSE because we build stuff that works, not because we build stuff that changes all the time (and also works). These are the 'long tail' of people we know who are still using openSUSE 12.x, or openSUSE 13.1 and looking forward to an Evergreen release in the future.
We've seen this come up time, after time, after time. Every major flamewar the openSUSE community has gone through, often ends up coming back to this topic, one group wanting stuff faster, one group wanting stuff slower. We had it with the release schedule discussions years ago, version numbering, systemd, moving from KDE 3->4, GNOME 2->3, and now KDE 4->5
Not exactly... Many want not slower, but maintained longer. And the rants against those changes were that they were pushed before being ready.
The only 'flaw' in this plan, that I totally accept exists, is that for anyone who feels the current openSUSE regular release is 'perfect', then things might be changing for you in a negative way However, I'd ask those people, deep down, to identify the key reason they like the current openSUSE regular release. If you're primarily motivated because "every release I get all the new stuff", then please, use Tumbleweed, and if it's not perfect for you, help us make it better. If you're motivated to use openSUSE because "I want a Linux distribution that just works", then please, help us with this new Regular Release, in order to make it perfect for you use cases.
We do want new and *tested* things. And once we install the distribution, we want it maintained for at least 2 years, maybe 3, with a release every year, so that if we want we can update again a year later. Thus we get the choice of when to upgrade. And no, tumbleweed will never be it, no matter how good it becomes. For one reason, choosing when we upgrade means that we set apart the time to do it, to troubleshoot changes and problems. Upgrading continuously is a nightmare effort. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlVOS0QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XPQwCdH89y6aP8j+GII6nHg8uPwLJz tVoAoJavgIF023wU8ijk+mKAWqTPuVwV =k719 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org