-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roger Whittaker wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:59:38PM -0600, Rajko M. wrote: [...]
It gives no additional rights, it doesn't make you school representative in official sense, it is just plain "we (the openSUSE community) like what you are doing and this is our way to say thank you".
It does: it's been clearly stated that membership as defined means that you "speak for the project". That's one of the concerns that I
It's not needed to "clearly state" that people with @opensuse.org *somewhat* (other emails on this thread clarify what I meant, actually, especially Gerald's) speak for the project. It's implied. I mentioned that, and it wasn't an """official statement""" nor anything of the likes. It's just that when, say, you send an email to someone @debian.org using an @opensuse.org address, it automatically holds a bit more in terms of openSUSE.org representation than sending from, say, gmail or whatever else. I mean, that's obvious. That being said, and as Gerald pointed out, no single person is able to speak for the whole community -- I hope that's clear to everyone as well. It also depends a lot on the context, the topic, etc. I'm not going to go into more details unless really needed, this is just really common sense and how it works implicitly. Explaining it in detail does appear a bit ridiculous to me -- but if needed, I'll happily explain what my understanding is, and how I meant that (then my assumption would be wrong, which is quite possible ;)).
was trying to raise: what happens when someone who "speaks for the project" gets out of line?
We (board) haven't discussed that up to now, nor has it been discussed over here. Personally, I don't see much of an issue here. First of all, it depends on how exactly that person would be "getting out of line". Being rude once doesn't mean being kicked immediately. One can always politely point to the Guiding Principles if it happens a bit too frequently. Taking measures is needed as a last resort, when such a person really gets rude beyond what's excusable (e.g. racism, repeatedly insulting, spamming, trolling, ...). Now when that happens (and I certainly hope it won't), the first barrier is still and foremost the moderators of the respective communication channels (mailing-list mods, IRC ops, forum mods, ...). If the person still doesn't behave in a socially acceptable way or repeatedly infringes the Guiding Principles he signed and hence agreed to follow (which is a precondition for "membership"), then I guess that the board could or should be contacted. It doesn't have to be the board btw, we could also have a small committee of people that would take care of it -- but then again, I really don't think it will happen often, and the board will have enough time and resources to take care of such things happening very occasionally. Now, what measures? Revoking the "membership" (and hence the @opensuse.org alias) is the obvious action to take in such a situation. The respective moderators (as outlined above) will already have taken measures to protect the communication channel they're in charge of (i.e. ban from IRC, unsubscribe+ban from mailing-list, block/remove account on web forums). Those are pretty obvious to me (and hopefully to everyone else), whilst indeed, they're 1) not discussed on this list 2) not discussed by the board 3) not written down anywhere at this point.
This has the potential for causing a lot of trouble, and I would urge the Board to think carefully now about how they will deal with it when it happens.
While I understand and share your concerns, I don't think it has "potential for causing a lot of trouble". But if you have precise ideas and suggestions on how to handle that, please let us know :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::23+24 Feb 2008, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtN34r3NMWliFcXcRAk/CAKCMvRdQ9rlwLNBmJtj07kBOL+/FRwCbBjlX C4MaNrp81sk+31FYA6lDsVo= =Rcws -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org