On Feb 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> wrote:
On Monday 11 February 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Francis Giannaros" <francis@opensuse.org> writes:
On Feb 11, 2008 11:02 AM, Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> wrote:
On Monday 11 February 2008, Francis Giannaros wrote:
On Feb 11, 2008 10:29 AM, Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> wrote:
I would suggest to use "core member" or "core contributor" instead. This captures the fact that the people who get opensuse.org addresses are the core of the project and still doesn't exclude anybody from feeling as a member or contributor to the project without formal recognition.
I simply don't think this confusion arises as much as you are suggesting;
Well, I was confused, and I think a couple of others as well.
If there is no perfect term, then there will certainly be some people that are confused. Since the amount of confused people seem to be so few, and other terms seem to be even more problematic, it seems like the best solution.
There's indeed no perfect term - the question is which is better. something like "core member" might help indeed (or another annotation) - but I'm not a language expert.
[...] Most open source projects. Like I said, "core contributor/developer" generally refers to people working on the _core_ part of the project. For example in KDE where you work, a core developer might be someone who i.e. hacks on kdelibs, whereas we don't want to restrict openSUSE members to this core part only. We want translators, supporters, and contributors of all kinds to be in theory eligible.
:-( Why is there no adequate expression? Perhaps we should create a
new word? ;-) What about (1) "openSUSE contributor" or (2) "official openSUSE contributor"? I'd prefer (1) What I hear in the thread is that several people have an issue with "memberhsip".
I have said that the term isn't perfect, but I want to be clear: I still think it's a very good term, consistent, serves its purpose well, and generally very unambiguous. It seems like only Thomas and Cornelius were objecting to this (though Thomas seems to object to the Guiding Principles too), since Roger wants us to think about the implications of the system more than naming (from what I can gather -- correct me if I'm wrong). In comparison to the amount of people that have already applied, and/or others reading this, that's like a 2% objection, if not less. Is there anyone here who realistically thinks there couldn't be a smaller amount of objection with a change like this? :-) I'd say the response so far has been very good, that there's been good discussion, but that it's also patently clear how we should proceed.
And I think they are right as membership indicates a fee, a closed circle or a door man.
The fact that it's an open source project makes it clearer, I think, that no fee would ever be involved. That there's an inner circle of dedicated openSUSE contributors/members can hardly be seen as a negative thing. The key is that it's not an inaccessible or 'secret' inner circle: we should keep things transparent. That there's a doorman is also not negative, since it's not entry to the community that requires direct approval, but of people that are going to be representative in some way of the project, which is hardly unreasonable. "Contributor" is very equivocal as someone who sends one patch is also a contributor, whereas there's a difference with members. "Official contributor" sounds awkward as we're implying that anyone else contributing is an unofficial contributor. Regards, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org