Hi Michael, it is of course your right to leave and it is a pity. But I like to point out some facts ... On Donnerstag, 16. April 2020, 13:16:25 CEST wrote Michael Weyand: ...
I never thought that I would say, but openSUSE Leap 15.2 will be my last "suse". And funnily these clever money makers gave the best advise at the final end: "Jump" !!! Oh, I will. At least I can escape the name fight like 42 ...
Sorry, jump was my personal idea and it was not driven by any sales/money-maker. But please ignore this name, I just needed something which allows me a parallel setup to our existing leap. And I like to point out that even our driving buisiness guy here, Matthias Eckerman clearly said that Jump is an approach we like to evaluate. And I think this is the right of SUSE company to validate alternatives approaches. Matthias also made very clear that the decision, how the openSUSE distribution will be developed in future is a community decission. And I personally trust our board to setup a poll for a fair voting about this. So from that POV you decission comes a bit early to me. ...
But Distrowatch also showed the decreasing SUSE (desktop ?) importance. In the high time openSUSE reached more than 50% HPD of the top distro. But permanently decreasing since the MicroFocus deal. See here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ntnolo8zcjbbqld/The%20SUSE%20story.pdf?dl=0
Why? May be outdated standard Kernel, QT, KDE etc. versions within the stable openSUSE Leaps? Too much strategic company / community = developer discussions / fights? May be too much business? In the past 1-2 year I had more and more problems / higher effort to install and use 3rd-party open source software because of missing / outdated software versions, e.g. QT/KDE. Tumbleweed was used and tested, but was not really stable / productive after 2-3 years. At least not in my hands. And the latest announcement will not lead to improvements, I'm afraid. I do not want to repeat the 13.2 - 42.1 transition experiences !! Not at home, not at the University.
Yes, maybe these are the reasons. But frankly, this would mean you should lead a discussion in parallel to have a different approach. Eg. branching of from Tumbleweed to have a more current distribution maintained. Of course we need to see if we can bring up enough workforce to do that. But that does not invalidate the approach to test the Jump approach in parallel. And maybe we can not solve the known open issues in Jump. So it would be a dead end and community will vote againts it. But it is too complex to say that it can not work without trying it .... And maybe the result is something different, like eg an openSUSE SLES plus some openSUSE Stable distro based on tumbleweed. But we really need to test our ideas atm to have some ground for discussion IMHO. Hope you do not leave yet, where nothing has been really decided... adrian -- Adrian Schroeter email: adrian@suse.de SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org