On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 12:23 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But these contain so many variables too (did people still have gnome 2.24 when the patch came out? Did people actually use the software they are downloading patches for?...)
Yes - I agree it is a quagmire of uncertainty :-) In a world of (wonderful) 'zypper dup' - if we measure ISO downloads do we loose a chunk of our most clueful user-base ? there are too many imponderables.
All in all, I think there are no unbiased variables - so there will always have to be a decision made if the data we can get is representative enough or not.
True; I like the live CD install / update data because it avoids (post 11.2) the bias caused by having a default pre-selected, and shows a clear choice. [ can we detect the install / update of a live-CD vs. a DVD install ? ] - it seems the clearest, most easily measurable proxy for the choice during the installation flow that I can see.
Just out of interest, I queried the logs of last week for live cd redirects (I dare to say that in august we see mainly people not already using openSUSE):
5323 IPs downloaded KDE4 3492 IPs downloaded GNOME 1791 IPs downloaded both
So - to unreasonably extrapolate from this small sample, in this random timeframe I would turn that into: rough percentage of download sites: 50.2% - chose KDE4 32.9% - chose both 16.9% - chose Gnome from which - it seems, extrapolating, that we are needlessly annoying 1/3rd of DVD users by having a straight choice in that dialog rather than check boxes (which can be made an orthogonal issue to having a default - we can have both). Of course, we need a longer sample run from a more sensible time, and more thought - but it seems a reasonable metric to me - though clearly, actual live-CD install numbers would better. Clearly we want to best align all communities motivations with the process of installing millions of new seats of openSUSE :-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.meeks@novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org