On 2023-06-01T10:12:52, Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> wrote:
while arguing against having it. Then I personally believe we shouldn't as a community be actively asking them to leave or even suggesting they leave and give up there valuable contributions elsewhere in the project because they disagree with the code of conduct while still being willing to follow it.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one. Even if they pay lip service compliance to the CoC and phrase their toxic hate "civilly" and "just are asking questions" (sealioning) or pretend to be just ignorant (such as pretending that they can't see the difference between celebrating Pride as support for threatened minorities vs celebrating religious holidays), some of them *do* show their true colors *outside* the community. Have you *looked* at what the person so concerned about being banned here publishes on his "journals" for example? They *absolutely* should be banned for their demonstrated behaviour and positioning outside the openSUSE project: active trans hate, misgendering, heck, calling for the boycott of this very project. Even if they behave superficially "civilly" here, they mere presence and toleration makes the community less welcoming, less safe. I do not want to share the same community as them. Don't fall for that tactic.
I strongly agree that people taking the time and effort to post suggestions to this list are doing so because they desire to make openSUSE a better place and are willing to put in the time and effort to make a change.
No. Don't fall for this. Some post here because they actively work towards making openSUSE a *worse*, less inclusive place. Do NOT assume good intentions when people say they "disagree" with political movements to ensure equal rights for everyone. That's like saying the GPL is less free because it prevents people from using the code in proprietary products.
This whole part of the thread started because someone told "Anonymous Techie"
"If you feel this is not the place for you then please make sure the door doesn't hit you on the way out"
And I spoke up because I'd like to hope that we as a community can do better and be more tolerant when disagreeing with each other.
But no. This is indeed the kind of thing we cannot, must not tolerate. We must not tolerate people who publicly say they disagree with equal right, safety, care, shelter etc for all members of our community. Those people *should* leave. Those are not reasonable points to disagree on. Someone feeling threatened by those positions (because it threatens their health, life, safety) and potentially misjudging their own tone then being "policed" is exactly how their playbook works. Don't fall for it. There's not always good people on both sides. Regards, Lars (personal opinions, not representing SUSE) -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)