Hey, On 17.07.24 15:34, Simon Lees wrote:
On 7/17/24 9:33 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
We as a community need to figure out *functioning* teams of maintainers for the topics we need. We need to figure out what we need to change to keep the teams we *have* working and what is needed to grow those teams and what we need to provide so it's easier to build teams maintainers in openSUSE.
What we don't need, in my opinion, is building "governance" structure for people to tell others what to do OR a new brand.
I think we can work towards a new governance system without having rolls that tell people what to do. We are a community of volunteers who will volunteer there time where they see fit (Including looking at better governance).
Under our current system people can't tell anyone what to do, in certain cases they can tell people they can't do something, such as you can't submit that update as it doesn't meet our current packaging standards or as part of a conflict resolution process the board may tell someone they can't do something, personally I don't want to see that aspect of our governance changing.
At the same time we could do a better job of guiding people who want to be guided into the most useful places. Which is something the current board struggles to have time for in its current format.
And what has fulfilling this job/need to do with governance or the openSUSE Board? It's just another job that needs a functioning group of maintainers to do it. But instead of starting this group of maintainers for this part of the openSUSE project, instead of making a proposal what such a group of maintainers have to do, instead of seeking out people that, unlike the board, have the time to do form this group, instead of facilitating change for this, you talk about some board on the side. As if the openSUSE Board would be our government and we would need a second branch of government because the job is too demanding. The board is "just" a group of people that is supposed to be a communication facilitators. That's it, the openSUSE Board is just one function of many functions in this project. We don't need you to multiply yourself to be able to fulfill ANY new job this community needs to have done. If you think we struggle with guiding people to the most useful places then go do something about it and find friends to help you. Form a team. Stop inventing more bureaucracy that you then fight over for control. I'm sick of this... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson