On Thursday 25 December 2008 07:57:15 am nordi wrote:
Eric Springer wrote:
What we need, is to put a lot more effort into the user-friendliness of factory. It should be easier to install, easier to upgrade to. Easier to report bugs. It shouldn't be in inconsistent states so often and we should be trying to keep it as stable as possible.
Amen!
When I read the factory list, I sometimes have the impression that the devs dump everything into factory as soon as it barely compiles. This may be nice for the devs, because they do need a place to dump their code, but it is absolutely horrible for testers. Which is also the reason why I have not yet tested factory a single time.
The miserable state in which 11.1 beta 1 (beta, not even factory!) was this time actually just reinforced that feeling. OpenOffice was completely unusable, crashed every time (bug #429069). Which is just a _huge_ waste of testing time, because probably dozens of people wast^wspent their time researching this already known issue (just like me). Just replace the binaries with
xmessage "OpenOffice is currently broken. We're working on it."
or just don't include stuff that is known to be broken in a release intended for public testing.
The Factory is by definition place where only guarantee is that code was compiled and packaged. It is not for everyone, and it will never be. The problem are development releases that are broken. If you want early testers, say from half of development cycle, some types of bugs should not exist. Base system has to start and bring up GUI. At that stage only problem can be that GUI runs on driver used to install system, not 3D, and application problems, like OpenOffice. If want to test openSUSE few links must be part of your bookmarks: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs and http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports which gives bunch of links that can be used to search for bugs, and report them. For instance in: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.1_dev you will find OpenOffice related bugs.
Happy Holidays nordi
To you too nordi. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org