Le 01/08/2010 17:36, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
it's a *fact* that we love the present situation, and we have to know what can be removed
Why is that a fact? Most in the community might still love openSUSE but that doesn't mean they dislike the lack of a clear direction...
I don't say we don't need better direction, but that we are here because we like openSUSE better than Debian or Red Hat (for example). So we should start from the beginning
* What are the parts we don't do well enough?? (and discuss how we could do them better)
We have no focus. We need that to make decisions.
sorry to say this, but this is plain ridiculous. Nothing is done without focus. May be we didn't sufficiently *describe* our focus, but we have one, and nearly nobody begin to choose a focus, because "a focus", per se, don't mean anything if it's not described in terms of manpower, time and money
* What are the parts we can forget? (and when/how can we stop working on them)
Whatever we decide once we have found a focus most can agree on.
I can't agree. We have to see *first* what we can leave and what we can't. this is *defining* the focus. don't forget the initial goals: "we don't have enough manpower to do all" but nobody said what we don't do well enough! for example we spend some manpower making openSUSE color and logo in any product (for example openoffice), and we could stop wasting manpower there, the distro will still be as stable, good and funny. If I look at the present situation, I find a very good stable and appreciated distro, at least by anybody having tried it. the "stability" problems we sometime have are mostly shared by any distro (nvidia driver for some kind of kernel, who have them before the others?) anyway, I see this discussion go again and again on the same subjects and I don't see any progress in it, and this makes me thing the method may not be good. may be we shoulds weigth as much as possible what is the cost of each option, before saying we want them or not. where is the analysis of the present situation (a brainstorming is not an analysis)? This analysis can only be made internally, because we have no knowledge of the manpower already used for openSUSE * what is the cost of Kde integration? * what is the cost of Gnome integration? .... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org