oh and top-posting because I forgot to mention Leap 15 was gold (finished, frozen, and unable to be changed) for a WEEK before it's release Just like every other year - because it takes that long to get the mirrors, press, etc, all sorted. So really, again, the suggestion that oSC had anything to do with any bugs being found after it's release are nonsense If people want to help make Leap 15.1 better, there is one option, test it more before the release. Not the week before, but from the moment we start those Betas and doubly so when we reach that RC Phase That's what we do them for. Waiting for the last week or after the release is never going to be good enough, and anyone who did that should take their share of any collective blame for any and all bugs that slipped by. On 11 June 2018 at 21:25, Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 11 June 2018 at 20:44, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
It bugs me to see reports like https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096913 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096971 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096960 so soon after a new release. In the past two weeks there have been 20 new Distribution reports on Installation, 7 on Upgrade Problems, 9 on YaST2, 7 on Network, 2 on Bootloader, 13 on Basesystem, and 186 on simply Distribution, of which explicitly 15.0.
Does anyone have any recollection if this is a typical result of a new release?
It makes me wonder if releases should better be timed to _not_ coincide with social gatherings as happened with 15.0, so that last weeks' testing time isn't disrupted by plans and preparations for a social event.
Did were any of those cited bugs found by people at or involved in the organisation of the openSUSE Conferences? - looking at the cited examples it's easy to say No, none of those people were at the conference.
Was Leap 15 in a Beta/RC phase for FOUR WHOLE MONTHS? - Yes
Therefore Do I find your suggestion that those bugs should have been found by people at oSC insulting to the hundreds of volunteers who went to oSC? - Yes. Do I find your suggestion that those bugs should have been found by people at oSC insulting to the thousands of volunteers who were NOT at oSC? - Yes Both groups were working very hard to make Leap 15 as much of a success as it has been.
I think you owe them all an apology as a result of your 'wondering'.
I'm open to the discussion that the Project has a problem with an uptick of bugs after the release. This wouldn't be the first time, I consider it usual, and I find it unfortunate. But I would say that the question that needs to be asked is not whether or not our project's annual gathering is a factor, but why are more people testing Leap 15 now after the release than during the MONTHS of testing?
I also would love the answer to the question of why do people like you feel empowered to write mails like this posing such questions to the Project, when you yourself haven't found or reported any such bugs. This entire post smells like an attempt to stir shit for your own self aggrandisement for no real benefit to the project.
If you want to be an active aid in ensuring we have better releases in the future - please try and improve your quality of bug reports so they're about important things than the print screen key [1] or your unsupportable reuse of filesystems [2]
Please try to commentate less and _do_ more. I would greatly appreciate that.
[1] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087537 [2] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081653 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org