On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 14:03 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Yes, I also want a solid base and I also like that SUSE does most of the maintenance work. But there were situations in the past years where for example I as the community maintainer failed to push an upgrade or a fork (I would maintain anyhow) into Leap when the package was based on SLE in the first place.
Similar concerns were raised by others in the previous posts and that's why I didn't write something up earlier but it seems the concerns were not taken serious enough.
I would have one prominent example about "mercurial". I guess most developers love to have more or less up to date version of their dev tools. This update request was rejected for obscure reasons (no they were not obscure, the reason was "we did not receive any business reasoning for the request"). The upgrade request was moved into an internal product and is now closed to the openSUSE community so I cannot refer to it. And that for a package I maintained for several years.
No, I don't have business reasons. I just want to have a (half-way) modern toolchain.
If it goes on like this and will be handled even stricter then I have to consider Leap a SUSE-only where the community is just a burden. Good enough to contribute to Factory and Tumbleweed but let your hands off "SUSE products" including Leap or "Jump".
Wolfgang
Wolfgang, I would just like to add my voice in support to everything you say here. Without indulging in a post of my usual verbosity, I think the importance of ensuring that openSUSE contributors can contribute has not been given the priority it deserves. I share your frustration. My own contributions to Leap have been hindered in much the same way that you describe here, and it has an impact on my own motivations to continue contributing to Leap much as you describe here. While I have some hope that this proposal might bring solutions to these problems, I think more care needs to be taken to address the stated issues up front. Failure to address concerns like Wolfgangs risk increasing frustrations, and that is how volunteers are lost. Lost volunteers are not only hard to get back, but no matter how amicable a parting, losing volunteers in this manner is likely to make it harder for us to recruit new blood. Such a situation risks making the view "Leap/Jump is an entirely corporate affair" a self-fufilling prophecy unless great care is made to show the opposite is true at the earliest opportunity. Regards, Richard -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org