-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-25 22:32, Greg Freemyer wrote:

My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years).

You can try Lazarus, a free lookalike to Delphi. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCJw4cACgkQja8UbcUWM1wZPQD/cm9SiMxNwXdQuAKDRqKk5Pa5 6+0+qaZPZaP+RkVqyW4A/jT9jsm2lLl1YB2t7lc1fbD/UO/pfQjONtDVO7fqlFLB =iInj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact.

I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is.

My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years). I've done some ruby on rails stuff as well (maybe 1 year combined).

I'm thinking HTML5 is the way to go these days for user interface layer. (Lots of tools in my space use a web interface, but old fashion HTML is boring, and flash is dieing.)

HTML5 is, imho, mostly more bells and whistles. For a mockup, plain old-fashioned html+css will probably do fine.

Mockups are all about bells and whistles if you're trying to raise money to do the full development. (That's my situation). I have seen applications written with a HTML5 front-end that are really functional. I don't see doing that in html+css. I think I'll look into Lazarus, but I must say I'm very surprised that Delphi (or Lazarus) is still anywhere near state of the art for a mockup. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact.

I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is.

My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years). I've done some ruby on rails stuff as well (maybe 1 year combined).

I'm thinking HTML5 is the way to go these days for user interface layer. (Lots of tools in my space use a web interface, but old fashion HTML is boring, and flash is dieing.)

HTML5 is, imho, mostly more bells and whistles. For a mockup, plain old-fashioned html+css will probably do fine.

Mockups are all about bells and whistles if you're trying to raise money to do the full development. (That's my situation).

I have seen applications written with a HTML5 front-end that are really functional. I don't see doing that in html+css.

You meant to say application mockups right? I mean, lots of functional

applications have been written with a html+css frontend. Well, plus javascript of course.

TBH, I don't know much about html5, maybe there's more to it than I thought.

/Per

The webui for build.opensuse.org is written via ruby on rails. The ruby application runs on the server and outputs html+css+javascript to the webserver for the web browser to run. It looks okay, but it still looks and feels like a web page. I've seen apps that have their webui written in html5 that make you think you're running a local native app. I have no idea what they were written in on the back end. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer wrote:

The webui for build.opensuse.org is written via ruby on rails. The ruby application runs on the server and outputs html+css+javascript to the webserver for the web browser to run.

It looks okay, but it still looks and feels like a web page.

I've seen apps that have their webui written in html5 that make you think you're running a local native app. I have no idea what they were written in on the back end.

Okay, I misunderstood - you're really after a proper GUI (a la something written for Qt) mockup. I don't know how much one can do with tcl/tk these days, but I remember colleagues of mine doing nifty little things with it 10-15 years ago under CDE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 07:54 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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All, I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact. I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is. My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years). I've done some ruby on rails stuff as well (maybe 1 year combined). I'm thinking HTML5 is the way to go these days for user interface layer. (Lots of tools in my space use a web interface, but old fashion HTML is boring, and flash is dieing.) HTML5 is, imho, mostly more bells and whistles. For a mockup, plain

Greg Freemyer wrote old-fashioned html+css will probably do fine. Mockups are all about bells and whistles if you're trying to raise money to do the full development. (That's my situation). I have seen applications written with a HTML5 front-end that are really functional. I don't see doing that in html+css. You meant to say application mockups right? I mean, lots of functional It looks okay, but it still looks and feels like a web page. I've seen apps that have their webui written in html5 that make you

Per Jessen wrote: think you're running a local native app. I have no idea what they were written in on the back end.

Yes, there is stuff like Sencha / ext3 http://www.sencha.com/ But I don't know what they buy you for a 'mock up'. I'd assume you'd just build the application that way; and using them is straight-up 'development' - you have to know their object model & Javascript. If you just want to bang together some forms then LibreOffice's Base is probably the shortest non-development route. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Freemyer [25.10.2012 22:32]:

All,

I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact.

I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is.

If it is the UI only, try Pencil as a standalone tool or as a Firefox plugin http://pencil.evolus.vn/Downloads.html. Our (web-)developers use Balsamiq Mockups from http://www.balsamiq.com/download. It is *not* open source, but you can get a free trial version (fully functional for 7 days). Both tools are for layout only, AFAIK you cannot start to implement from there. Cheers, Werner - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCOZgIACgkQk33Krq8b42Mu1QCeL8P2ofkeXVxUb+PThjOqoB4G PRUAni1uF8q2bXbelhQsYQFB2s6Auoj+ =KuKO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 12:18 +0100, Werner Flamme wrote:

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All, I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact. I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is. If it is the UI only, try Pencil as a standalone tool or as a Firefox

Greg Freemyer [25.10.2012 22:32]: plugin http://pencil.evolus.vn/Downloads.html.

Does Pencil do UI mockup?

From a *glance* it looks like it is primarily a UML-like tool.

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On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 12:07 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2012-10-29 11:38, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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I haven't found anything equivalent to the form designer, etc... I had back with Borland & OWL [the last 'Windows' development tool I paid for]. As far as that, Lazarus has a form designer. I didn't have a chance to compare with current Delphi, though. And I have not tried to use databases with Lazarus myself, my apps are simpler.

Is there any kind of embedded database in/for Lazarus? [that works with the form operations]. I'm looking to build an app that uses a local database that is synchronized with a server over JSON. I assume Lazarus and the underlying components have JSON & HTTP capability [the questions on the FAQ indicate that it does]. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

Summary of moving forward if anyone cares: It looks like my final app will have a least 4 main chunks: Event/Log parser Event/Log database Event/Log correlation engine UI for the user to drill down into the DB status and correlation engine decision process. I have Lazarus (Delphi) install and created my first trivial program. It works very much as I recall Delphi working and I'm going to definitely use it. Possibly only for a event generator front end to push events at my log parser. Delphi (Lazarus) really makes it quick to build a nice UI based app. Here's a trivial tutorial if anyone wants to do a truly basic app. (It doesn't even do hello world, but it should be easy enough to add that to onclick event. http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Tutorial For the my main correlation engine app, I found to 2 correlation engine skeletons that look promising. Both are commercial (and expensive) and written in Java, so it only seems logical my main event processor be in Java as well. The one I like the most lets you graph out your basic functional needs. That is tied to a RAD style Domain Specific Language (DSL) which is a subset of Java. By RAD I mean that changes to the graph update the DSL code, and changes to the DSL code update the graphs. The DSL in turn compiles into full fledged Java code that can make calls into other Java Libraries (JARs). My real goal for now is to create a Mockup of the end-users normal UI. I haven't totally decided, but I think I'll use the Firefox Pencil add-on to create a basic mockup, then create functional parts of it via Java Beans with HTML5 support. Thanks All, Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org