[opensuse-ppc] Re: [opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
On Wed, October 26, 2011 3:25 pm, Andreas Färber wrote:
Hi,
Am 26.10.2011 15:04, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On 26.10.2011 14:58, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 14:29:57 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch.
If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you use one.
I would definitive unsubscribe from such a list if the majority of mails is not interessting for me.
The ppc, amd64 and ia64 lists didn't have any traffic in 2010 and 2011. I would like to have some point for people to go for non x86 architecture specific stuff.
There was some recent activity to revive ppc openSUSE, so if arm stays ppc should probably stay as well. amd64 is mainstream now, so that's different I guess.
I agree. I think it's best to have separate mailing lists for different architectures. I think traffic wise it also safes bandwidth. Only people that are interested in a specific mailing list will get this mail and not traffic they don't want. The ppc mailing list will be very interesting again when the AmigaOne X1000 and Netbook will be released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781936 If this ends up in an active mailing list where also ARM resides it's difficult to filter, I'm subscribed to both.
Andreas
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On 26/10/11 19:19, Joop Boonen wrote:
On Wed, October 26, 2011 3:25 pm, Andreas Färber wrote:
Hi,
Am 26.10.2011 15:04, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On 26.10.2011 14:58, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 14:29:57 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch.
If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you use one.
I would definitive unsubscribe from such a list if the majority of mails is not interessting for me.
The ppc, amd64 and ia64 lists didn't have any traffic in 2010 and 2011. I would like to have some point for people to go for non x86 architecture specific stuff.
There was some recent activity to revive ppc openSUSE, so if arm stays ppc should probably stay as well. amd64 is mainstream now, so that's different I guess.
I agree.
I think it's best to have separate mailing lists for different architectures.
I think traffic wise it also safes bandwidth. Only people that are interested in a specific mailing list will get this mail and not traffic they don't want.
The ppc mailing list will be very interesting again when the AmigaOne X1000 and Netbook will be released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781936 If this ends up in an active mailing list where also ARM resides it's difficult to filter, I'm subscribed to both.
If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't really argue with that. My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell. Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory. -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, October 27, 2011 9:44 am, Richard (MQ) wrote:
On 26/10/11 19:19, Joop Boonen wrote:
On Wed, October 26, 2011 3:25 pm, Andreas Färber wrote:
Hi,
Am 26.10.2011 15:04, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On 26.10.2011 14:58, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 14:29:57 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch.
If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you use one.
I would definitive unsubscribe from such a list if the majority of mails is not interessting for me.
The ppc, amd64 and ia64 lists didn't have any traffic in 2010 and 2011. I would like to have some point for people to go for non x86 architecture specific stuff.
There was some recent activity to revive ppc openSUSE, so if arm stays ppc should probably stay as well. amd64 is mainstream now, so that's different I guess.
I agree.
I think it's best to have separate mailing lists for different architectures.
I think traffic wise it also safes bandwidth. Only people that are interested in a specific mailing list will get this mail and not traffic they don't want.
The ppc mailing list will be very interesting again when the AmigaOne X1000 and Netbook will be released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781936 If this ends up in an active mailing list where also ARM resides it's difficult to filter, I'm subscribed to both.
If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't really argue with that.
My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell.
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Why not be the distro that also invites people who want to try other distro's? If you look at other distro's they are more inviting for people who want to try other distro's. http://lists.debian.org/ports.html https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo Why not even add a opensuse-mips mailing-list for people in for instance China who would like to work on a Loongson/Godson port. I think this will pull more hardware gurus to our distro. I think our current limiting approach set us behind other distro's on supported archs. This is something we see now in the arm port. This might happen again when another important architecture would appear. I think we should get rid of the opensuse-amd86 mailing-list as it's x86. One other thing I also don't understand is. WE currently build all ppc packages as Factory. Why don't we also build a the iso's for the current version, with the extra label unstable (so 12.1-unstable-ppc). Now a newbie that is interested in openSuSE on his old Mac won't be able to install openSuSE ppc due to the lack of a DVD. And therefor will move on to another distro.
-- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Richard (MQ) <osl2008@googlemail.com> wrote:
If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't really argue with that.
Actually, a lot of PPC work is done because of SLEx. If POWER is still supported in SLEx 12, then it shouldn't be a big issue to actually restart the PPC port. The bigger problem is getting it to work on the vast types of machines: Apple, RS/6000, PRep, CHRP, etc. It's almost as bad as the ARM ports because of the differences in machine types.
My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell.
We still have powerpc.opensuse.org, but I haven't been able to do any testing. I've had to deal with a lot of personal issues over the last year or two, and that's kept me from doing more. However, I'm hoping that is finally ending soon.
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly. Fedora has found renewed interest, and Debian still supports PPC, so a lot of testing has been done elsewhere that could probably be used here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> writes:
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly.
Agreed. These arch lists are fine. Problematic are those general purpose lists such as -factory, -marketing, -project, etc. But as long as we do not create more of them, we can stand it. (I'm subscribe to -factory only, though.) -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, October 27, 2011 2:41 pm, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> writes:
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly.
Agreed. These arch lists are fine. Problematic are those general purpose lists such as -factory, -marketing, -project, etc. But as long as we do not create more of them, we can stand it. (I'm subscribe to -factory only, though.)
When we are at it, is it an option to add opensuse-mips?
-- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation MaxfeldstraÃe 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 08:12:23AM -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Richard (MQ) <osl2008@googlemail.com> wrote:
If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't really argue with that.
Actually, a lot of PPC work is done because of SLEx. If POWER is still supported in SLEx 12, then it shouldn't be a big issue to actually restart the PPC port. The bigger problem is getting it to work on the vast types of machines: Apple, RS/6000, PRep, CHRP, etc. It's almost as bad as the ARM ports because of the differences in machine types.
My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell.
We still have powerpc.opensuse.org, but I haven't been able to do any testing. I've had to deal with a lot of personal issues over the last year or two, and that's kept me from doing more. However, I'm hoping that is finally ending soon.
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly. Fedora has found renewed interest, and Debian still supports PPC, so a lot of testing has been done elsewhere that could probably be used here.
openSUSE:Factory:PowerPC as available on powerpc.opensuse.org is at least still building. My machine is running it, I am however updating in place. Installation needs to be tested and likely bugfixed. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 08:12:23AM -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Richard (MQ) <osl2008@googlemail.com> wrote:
If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't really argue with that.
Actually, a lot of PPC work is done because of SLEx. If POWER is still supported in SLEx 12, then it shouldn't be a big issue to actually restart the PPC port. The bigger problem is getting it to work on the vast types of machines: Apple, RS/6000, PRep, CHRP, etc. It's almost as bad as the ARM ports because of the differences in machine types.
My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell.
We still have powerpc.opensuse.org, but I haven't been able to do any testing. I've had to deal with a lot of personal issues over the last year or two, and that's kept me from doing more. However, I'm hoping that is finally ending soon.
Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory.
Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly. Fedora has found renewed interest, and Debian still supports PPC, so a lot of testing has been done elsewhere that could probably be used here.
openSUSE:Factory:PowerPC as available on powerpc.opensuse.org is at least still building.
My machine is running it, I am however updating in place.
Installation needs to be tested and likely bugfixed. Even we have some movements here. KIWI on Power, KVM in testing and so on.
Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
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