On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Alexander Graf agraf@suse.de wrote:
Of course, because nobody is fixing it. Please try to find out why it doesn't work - the fact that it's broken won't change otherwise :)
That's all well and good if you know HOW to fix it, which I don't and which the OP probably doesn't either.
The question is: WHO do we report this to to try to get some resolution? I realize that PPC is no longer officially supported, but I would hope that someone would have some experience with it and could at least point us in the right direction.
Is Andreas Jaeger still around? Haven't seen him in a while(and I haven't been around as much as I had hoped to be either).
On 11/10/2011 01:56 PM, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Alexander Grafagraf@suse.de wrote:
Of course, because nobody is fixing it. Please try to find out why it doesn't work - the fact that it's broken won't change otherwise :)
That's all well and good if you know HOW to fix it, which I don't and which the OP probably doesn't either.
I don't know either, but that's what the amazing power of the internet is :). With enough time and willpower anyone can look things up! I'm not saying it's easy - but all important bits and pieces should be documented _somewhere_.
The question is: WHO do we report this to to try to get some resolution? I realize that PPC is no longer officially supported, but I would hope that someone would have some experience with it and could at least point us in the right direction.
This is a wild guess, but Mac booting support was dropped from SLES, so I suppose whatever change there was made it to factory as well. The kernel and user space however should run just fine.
The way to fix it would be to read yourself into how the boot process works on Macs. Somehow you need to convince the Mac OF that it should load yaboot from the CD. Yaboot then has a config file on the CD that tells it where the kernel and initrd are.
You could try to locate yaboot on the CD manually and try to boot it from the OF command line. You could try and see what happens when you pass the kernel and initrd to qemu-system-ppc with -kernel and -initrd. You could even go as far as installing a system with qemu and then dd'ing it over to a disk that you put into your Mac.
I don't know the answer really. All I know is that apparently there is nobody on this list who goes "oh, yeah, that is easy, it only takes 5 minutes and I'm done". Either we manage to build a community (and I mean development community, not testing community) around PPC or the whole thing will stay dead.
Is Andreas Jaeger still around? Haven't seen him in a while(and I haven't been around as much as I had hoped to be either).
He is certainly still around, yeah :). I'm not sure if he's interested in getting involved on the ppc port though.
Alex
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alexander Graf agraf@suse.de wrote:
This is a wild guess, but Mac booting support was dropped from SLES, so I suppose whatever change there was made it to factory as well. The kernel and user space however should run just fine.
This was something I wasn't aware of.
The way to fix it would be to read yourself into how the boot process works on Macs. Somehow you need to convince the Mac OF that it should load yaboot from the CD. Yaboot then has a config file on the CD that tells it where the kernel and initrd are.
hmmm. Will give that a go.
You could try to locate yaboot on the CD manually and try to boot it from the OF command line. You could try and see what happens when you pass the kernel and initrd to qemu-system-ppc with -kernel and -initrd. You could even go as far as installing a system with qemu and then dd'ing it over to a disk that you put into your Mac.
Seems to just ignore the cd for boot purposes, but that's probably for the reason you outlined earlier.
I don't know the answer really. All I know is that apparently there is nobody on this list who goes "oh, yeah, that is easy, it only takes 5 minutes and I'm done". Either we manage to build a community (and I mean development community, not testing community) around PPC or the whole thing will stay dead.
Peter used to hang around here as well, but he's probably like the rest of us and just hasn't had the time to devote to it. Life, kids, bills, and just being able to get things done tends to get in the way....... :-)
Is Andreas Jaeger still around? Haven't seen him in a while(and I haven't been around as much as I had hoped to be either).
He is certainly still around, yeah :). I'm not sure if he's interested in getting involved on the ppc port though.
Actually, I was thinking of Olaf, but Andreas was the first name to come to me. Olaf used to help me out on my old world stuff. Gave up on those machines because they just couldn't handle newer versions without at least a G4/400 upgrade. And even then it was sluggish(example - the Powerbook Wallstreet only had a 16.7MB/s hard drive controller, so it wasn't ever gonna be fast, even with a 320GB drive). My Thinkpad A22p may only have a P3/1Ghz and 33MB/s drive controller, but it makes a world of difference. And I USE the thinkpad daily, where my Powerbooks don't really get used.........
I was able to broke PowerMac booting. Since I've patched lilo/yaboot. (I'm using IBM Power machines)
I don't have PowerMac where I can test things, so if nobody testing pmac, i guess any commit can broke it.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Larry Stotler larrystotler@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alexander Graf agraf@suse.de wrote:
This is a wild guess, but Mac booting support was dropped from SLES, so I suppose whatever change there was made it to factory as well. The kernel and user space however should run just fine.
This was something I wasn't aware of.
The way to fix it would be to read yourself into how the boot process works on Macs. Somehow you need to convince the Mac OF that it should load yaboot from the CD. Yaboot then has a config file on the CD that tells it where the kernel and initrd are.
hmmm. Will give that a go.
You could try to locate yaboot on the CD manually and try to boot it from the OF command line. You could try and see what happens when you pass the kernel and initrd to qemu-system-ppc with -kernel and -initrd. You could even go as far as installing a system with qemu and then dd'ing it over to a disk that you put into your Mac.
Seems to just ignore the cd for boot purposes, but that's probably for the reason you outlined earlier.
I don't know the answer really. All I know is that apparently there is nobody on this list who goes "oh, yeah, that is easy, it only takes 5 minutes and I'm done". Either we manage to build a community (and I mean development community, not testing community) around PPC or the whole thing will stay dead.
Peter used to hang around here as well, but he's probably like the rest of us and just hasn't had the time to devote to it. Life, kids, bills, and just being able to get things done tends to get in the way....... :-)
Is Andreas Jaeger still around? Haven't seen him in a while(and I haven't been around as much as I had hoped to be either).
He is certainly still around, yeah :). I'm not sure if he's interested in getting involved on the ppc port though.
Actually, I was thinking of Olaf, but Andreas was the first name to come to me. Olaf used to help me out on my old world stuff. Gave up on those machines because they just couldn't handle newer versions without at least a G4/400 upgrade. And even then it was sluggish(example - the Powerbook Wallstreet only had a 16.7MB/s hard drive controller, so it wasn't ever gonna be fast, even with a 320GB drive). My Thinkpad A22p may only have a P3/1Ghz and 33MB/s drive controller, but it makes a world of difference. And I USE the thinkpad daily, where my Powerbooks don't really get used......... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner@opensuse.org
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