[opensuse-packaging] Re:AW: Cinnamon Stable repo for openSUSE X11:Cinnamon?
Hi, Stefan, My opinion is: Actually it doesn't matter which upstream branch we use, but wether we can continuously focus on this project...eg, KDE 5 is considered unstable but our KDE team still do perfect things. So far upstream doesn't have a clear release schedule either. Although users would like to call eg. 2.2 stable, 2.3 unstable, something like that. But neither 2.2 nor 2.3 is stable. Because: 1. There's no backport support so far by Cinnamon upstream. So 2.2 just means old. They usually just fix things in newer versions... 2. Upstream officially doesn't support other distributions (That's why I didn't push Cinnamon an official spin into openSUSE Factory at the first time, and write something that "Cinnamon is not a DE but a community project of Linux Mint". Historically speaking Cinnamon is a "middle" product of Linux Mint for MATE DE) Even if upstream has backport support, we can't be sure that kinda backport works on openSUSE. 3. We don't have "time and programming skills" required to maintain such a so-called "stable" branch ourselves. It will just double our work and bug reports. 4. Upstream doesn't have clear dependency cycle. I tried to build 2.2 branch after 2.3's release, but eg. which version of muffin that Cinnamon 2.2 requires? No hints at all. If we built solid stuff on some liquid bases, then that's not stable but float... That's my considerations and that's why I always prefer concenterate on fixing existing stuff instead of providing something that we actually can't promise due to various facts. Greetings MargueriteN�����r��y隊Z)z{.��ZrF��x>�{.n�+������Ǩ��r��i�m��0��ޙ������� ��$j���0�����Ǩ�
Hello Marguerite and Stefan, Thanks to both of you for your time and replies. I think that if you can only focus on a single branch, it would be best to focus on the one that Linux Mint releases to their stable distribution. At the moment, the Cinnamon version that Linux Mint is offering to the public is version 2.2.16: https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/tree/2.2-maintenance Would it be possible to use Arch Linux's Cinnamon sources? https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=... I currently use Cinnamon 2.2 on Arch, and it is extremely stable and relatively bug-free. I think that the best use of your limited time and development resources would be best focused on the branch that Linux Mint offers to the public. Because the currently major bugs in Cinnamon 2.3 that are present in OBS X11:Cinnamon:Factory are because the Linux Mint development team is still developing it, and it is very much a beta product. It is practically unusable at this point. In fact, I'm sure that the same 2.3 branch of Cinnamon doesn't work correctly on Linux Mint either, because it's not released to the public. On the other hand, if the openSUSE Cinnamon team could track the currently stable branch of Cinnamon, you would only have to focus on bugs that are related to openSUSE integration, and not on bugs that Linux Mint is working to fix in their development process. Again, I really appreciate your efforts to offer a stable Cinnamon environment for openSUSE. I tried to use Mate and XFCE, but they have major problems with GTK3 windows that use client-side decorations. Apart from Gnome Shell, only Cinnamon properly handles GTK3 windows with client-side decorations. So for the *huge* number of users that don't want to use Gnome Shell or KDE, the only real alternative is Cinnamon. Thanks for your time! Best regards, Sam -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
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