I'm asking Wolfgang directly instead of only a list because of firefox-esr changelog, and http://lists.opensuse.org/ doesn't indicate a good place for Mozilla questions spanning different OS releases. IIUC, 24 is scheduled to take over esr soon. I don't want anything newer than 22 installed as default Firefox anywhere around here. Its UI has been dumbed down too much. I'd rather 17 for normal use as long as it's viable, with SeaMonkey and Konq for things requiring latest features and/or security updates. Maybe others have similar feelings and would like access to a 17-latest rpm in 13.1 now that beta1 has been announced. 12.3 has latest, 17.0.9, available in mozilla/openSUSE_12.3 repo. 13.1 has 6 month old 17.0.4 available in mozilla:/experimentalopenSUSE_Factory repo. 1-Is old version for 13.1 oversight? 2-Can 12.3's rpm be installed in 13.1 without need to backlevel deps/libs? 3-Why isn't esr available in a standard Factory/13.1 repo instead of "experimental"? Why does BS have a lot of what looks like the same thing under two different names? e.g. mozilla/ mozilla:/ Other than different names and different subdirs, what's the distinction between those with and without ":"? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 01:34, Felix Miata <mrmazda@...> wrote:
I'm asking Wolfgang directly instead of only a list because of firefox-esr changelog, and http://lists.opensuse.org/ doesn't indicate a good place for Mozilla questions spanning different OS releases.
IIUC, 24 is scheduled to take over esr soon.
[snip] With the release of Fx 24.0 (regular) the corresponding Fx 24.0esr was also released. See official Mozilla DL repo: http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/24.0esr/
12.3 has latest, 17.0.9, available in mozilla/openSUSE_12.3 repo.
13.1 has 6 month old 17.0.4 available in mozilla:/experimental openSUSE_Factory repo.
1-Is old version for 13.1 oversight? Check main mozilla repo for installs. The mozilla:/experimental/ is only to get a build (of a specific version) working without harming available 'release' repo in mozilla/
2-Can 12.3's rpm be installed in 13.1 without need to backlevel deps/libs? Most of the time yes, but YMMV.
3-Why isn't esr available in a standard Factory/13.1 repo instead of "experimental"? IMHO road-map overlap. It was clear beforehand in planning that Mozilla would release a 'new' esr before openSUSE would release 13.1 (beta)
The spoken of target for 13.1 was either regular Fx (new version every six weeks), or new esr (security fix release about every six weeks). It was clear that 17esr was NOT a viable option for 13.1 with the view that 13.1 would be the base for SLE 12 and next Evergreen. Long term support was a must have. In terms of 'Dumbed down' UI, well, there are two viewpoints: = The "DAU" (dumbest assumable user): Any admin will praise the missing of the option to switch off e.g. JS, b/c of the response of said user: "THE INTERNET IS BROKEN IN FIREFOX" = The educated (power) user: There are Add-ons for these users to 'bring back' the missing ui options, no need to cry. Now you have to choose your poison. It in the eye of the beholder. - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-09-22 02:26 (GMT+0200) Yamaban composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
IIUC, 24 is scheduled to take over esr soon.
With the release of Fx 24.0 (regular) the corresponding Fx 24.0esr was also released.
:-(
12.3 has latest, 17.0.9, available in mozilla/openSUSE_12.3 repo.
13.1 has 6 month old 17.0.4 available in mozilla:/experimental openSUSE_Factory repo.
1-Is old version for 13.1 oversight? Check main mozilla repo for installs.
The mozilla:/experimental/ is only to get a build (of a specific version) working without harming available 'release' repo in mozilla/
2-Can 12.3's rpm be installed in 13.1 without need to backlevel deps/libs?
Most of the time yes, but YMMV.
3-Why isn't esr available in a standard Factory/13.1 repo instead of "experimental"?
IMHO road-map overlap. It was clear beforehand in planning that Mozilla would release a 'new' esr before openSUSE would release 13.1 (beta)
The spoken of target for 13.1 was either regular Fx (new version every six weeks), or new esr (security fix release about every six weeks).
It was clear that 17esr was NOT a viable option for 13.1 with the view that 13.1 would be the base for SLE 12 and next Evergreen. Long term support was a must have.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
In terms of 'Dumbed down' UI, well, there are two viewpoints:
I think not, but rather, having far more than two points, much closer to a continuum.
= The "DAU" (dumbest assumable user): Any admin will praise the missing of the option to switch off e.g. JS, b/c of the response of said user: "THE INTERNET IS BROKEN IN FIREFOX"
= The educated (power) user: There are Add-ons for these users to 'bring back' the missing ui options, no need to cry.
Now you have to choose your poison. It in the eye of the beholder.
JS was not what came foremost to mind as I was writing "dumbed down". #1 was browser.tabs.autoHide has been missing from prefs UI since v22 or 23, and does nothing entered via about:config. Besides that and the JS issue, there have been other changes in recent and not so recent months, with more to come (e.g. tabs that waste {even more} space, like Chrome's) before long that fit the description. "Power users" are forced to spend more and more time hunting for such poisons that may or may not exist, or if exist, may or may not have been proven to not cause bloat or conflict with the pile of other extensions required by previous feature removals. Not that saying any of this on this list could possibly make a difference. :~( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia niedziela, 22 września 2013 02:26:35 Yamaban pisze:
= The "DAU" (dumbest assumable user): Any admin will praise the missing of the option to switch off e.g. JS, b/c of the response of said user: "THE INTERNET IS BROKEN IN FIREFOX"
It is, not only in Firefox :-) Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 22.09.2013 01:34, schrieb Felix Miata:
I'm asking Wolfgang directly instead of only a list because of firefox-esr changelog, and http://lists.opensuse.org/ doesn't indicate a good place for Mozilla questions spanning different OS releases.
Most lists are fine for me if I can recognize the subject.
IIUC, 24 is scheduled to take over esr soon. I don't want anything newer than 22 installed as default Firefox anywhere around here. Its UI has been dumbed down too much. I'd rather 17 for normal use as long as it's viable, with SeaMonkey and Konq for things requiring latest features and/or security updates. Maybe others have similar feelings and would like access to a 17-latest rpm in 13.1 now that beta1 has been announced.
12.3 has latest, 17.0.9, available in mozilla/openSUSE_12.3 repo.
Yes, so has 13.1.
13.1 has 6 month old 17.0.4 available in mozilla:/experimentalopenSUSE_Factory repo.
Not anymore since a few seconds since it apparently is confusing to users. As long as I don't ask certain people to look at mozilla:experimental it should not exist for people. I'm using it sometimes to try "experimental" things w/o disturbing "production" repos. Project description: "Temporary experimental repository for mozilla stuff. DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"
1-Is old version for 13.1 oversight?
Not sure what old version 13.1 means here. I've enabled 13.1 only when it was useful shortly after 13.1 beta 1 was out in the mozilla repo. Probably you checked before builds and repos were finished?
2-Can 12.3's rpm be installed in 13.1 without need to backlevel deps/libs?
Not sure and not needed.
3-Why isn't esr available in a standard Factory/13.1 repo instead of "experimental"?
It is.
Why does BS have a lot of what looks like the same thing under two different names? e.g. mozilla/ mozilla:/
Other than different names and different subdirs, what's the distinction between those with and without ":"?
That is an OBS specific thing. You get a suffixed repo name as soon as you have sub projects since it's an OBS internal delimiter. So mozilla: is just carrying subprojects while mozilla carries the main project's content. About Firefox ESR and especially 17: I haven't created a package for Firefox 24 ESR yet. So currently 17.0.9 is the latest firefox-esr available. I will create a 24ESR package as soon as the next minor update is out which will end up in "mozilla". firefox-esr 17 will stay in mozilla as well as long as it gets updates. zypp nevertheless would update to 24 as the latest available version though unless you do explicit updates/installations for 17.0.x. Also as soon as firefox-esr 17 runs out of upstream maintenance (after two more releases I think) it will go away from the main mozilla repo but I will move it to mozilla:legacy (that's where some unmaintained packages are collected which need to stay alive for a bit still). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org
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