[opensuse-packaging] Please consider including VirtualBox with openSUSE 10.3
Hi all ! Please consider including VirtualBox package with openSUSE 10.3. I'm heavy emulators/virtualization user, so this addition would be important for me. openSUSE already includes many products from that field, including Bochs, Qemu, DOSBox, Xen, ... so why not add this one too ? This new virtualization solution appeared on the market only recently, in 2007 as open-source GPL'ed product. I think it is better than the currently existing Open-Source solutions. This product is very high-class and an excellent competitor to proprietary software such as VMware, and so, the least we can do as a community, is to support this effort, and build a competition to the very pricey&proprietary VMware. On my side, I have made a push of VirtualBox into 10.3 - I did it by submitting VirtualBox detailed step-by-step setup article into Lessons for Lizards, so if the package gets included it will have documentation already available. So openSUSE 10.3 final release has a good chance to have both the package and my documentation available same-day-release. I want the final users of 10.3 to get maximum. NOTE: There is an official documentation available, but it deals poorly with SUSE-specific issues, so my documentation has an added extra-value. You can read my article here: (NOTE: link will expire soon, so if you have problem email me, and I will send you the article directly) http://download.yousendit.com/6E957103384F0318 Alternatively, you can download it from LfL SVN. VirtualBox Home Page: www.virtualbox.org What do you think of it? -Alexey Eremenko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 19:38, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
On my side, I have made a push of VirtualBox into 10.3 - I did it by submitting VirtualBox detailed step-by-step setup article into Lessons for Lizards, so if the package gets included it will have documentation already available.
So openSUSE 10.3 final release has a good chance to have both the package and my documentation available same-day-release. I want the final users of 10.3 to get maximum.
It's available from the BS: http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/virtualization/openSUSE_Facto... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/virtualization/openSUSE_Facto...
Very Nice ! May I hope to see this on the official DVD ? Or it's going to stay on the 'net ? I see it is made by Marcus. Perhaps I should contact him too. -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 19:38, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
NOTE: There is an official documentation available, but it deals poorly with SUSE-specific issues, so my documentation has an added extra-value.
You can read my article here: (NOTE: link will expire soon, so if you have problem email me, and I will send you the article directly) http://download.yousendit.com/6E957103384F0318
Are you willing to maintain it in suse's wiki? -- Richard Bos We are borrowing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Are you willing to maintain it in suse's wiki?
I am willing to maintain it in the LfL (Lessons for Lizards). I promise. I prefer the offline documentation to online, due to several reasons. One of which is that some computers have no Internet connection. (for security reasons, or mobile laptops) -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 20:28, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
Are you willing to maintain it in suse's wiki?
I am willing to maintain it in the LfL (Lessons for Lizards). I promise.
Okay. Can you provide a url to the Lesson? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Hi all !
Please consider including VirtualBox package with openSUSE 10.3. I'm heavy emulators/virtualization user, so this addition would be important for me.
this seems very interesting. I read your paper then have some questions: * it seems quite similar to VMware as of the features/install, true? * I don't see the extremely ugly "recompile module for a given kernel" than vmware have. Is that true or is the dl bind to a kernel? (I use 10.1, right now) * does this have the "permanent" versus "temporary" system of vmware? (one can lock the vm image, use and write on the vm guest and choose to save or don't save when quitting) NB: the VirtualBox home page wiki is extremely slow, may be because your mail :-)) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
On 3/13/07, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Hi all !
Please consider including VirtualBox package with openSUSE 10.3. I'm heavy emulators/virtualization user, so this addition would be important for me.
this seems very interesting. I read your paper then have some questions:
* it seems quite similar to VMware as of the features/install, true? * I don't see the extremely ugly "recompile module for a given kernel" than vmware have. Is that true or is the dl bind to a kernel? (I use 10.1, right now)
VirtualBox has a similar feature-set to VMware. Due to this program being new, it is less stable currently, but improves quickly. Feature-set includes: -Professional, User-Friendly, Qt3-based GUI -Official Innotek Documentation (+ my documentation article on SUSE LfL) -Disk Snapshots aka saved states -Audio (OSS+ALSA) -Guest VM Additions/Integration - something which other proprietary software had for years, but not available under OSS solutions until now - Qemu/Xen has nothing like this. -Works with Windows/Linux as both Host/Guest with full integration support on both platforms. Support for Solaris UNIX planned. -Only x86 is supported. x86-64 is planned. -Networking: NAT+Host-Networking with TAP (you can use host platform for routing/port forwarding/bridging - VBox relies on Host OS for that functionality) -Works as user-mode app (w/o root priviledges) - root only needed during setup. -Like VMware, it installs kernel-drivers (LKMs) on Host system. (but unlike VMware, it's damn easy to do with VBox) - so yes, it recompiles modules, but with much less manual work compared to VMware. -Very Fast (faster than most other solutions, excluding Xen) -Doesn't require any Vanderpool CPU. Uses normal processors. -Dual Licensing (similar to TrollTech) - proprietary + Open-Source GPL (since this is OSS now - since 2007 - we can build a kernel module and include with openSUSE) -...
* does this have the "permanent" versus "temporary" system of vmware? (one can lock the vm image, use and write on the vm guest and choose to save or don't save when quitting)
Yes, VBox has a "snapshot" feature.
NB: the VirtualBox home page wiki is extremely slow, may be because your mail :-))
rumors say that VirtualBox home currently experiencing some issues now... Usually it works damn-fast. Perhaps it is under reconstruction. It should have new release soon. (in few days) -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Hi all !
Please consider including VirtualBox package with openSUSE 10.3.
VirtualBox Home Page: www.virtualbox.org
I want to say that I could dl and install VirtualBox on my 10.1 machine. I didn't use it really (just create a virtual machine and boot->no boot system error, expected :-). I couldn't use Yast (probaby and old bug), but rpm -ivh gave me the expected warning about libxalan and libxerces. I couls copy the hole lib name (including version number) in Yast search and find and install them. after that all the install went well (including module compiling) I can't execute it from the kde menu, I don't understand why (tried many options), but it does from Konsole (not always opening in the same desktop :-) I will report if there is some wiki page :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
but it does from Konsole
and boot Kaella 1.4 (Knoppix clone) I have 128Mb for the vm, sempron 2200 (?) 2 years old... nice :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
I will report if there is some wiki page :-)
VirtualBox here run only for root - in fact when I first tried it it was in the rpm window, so as root (same thing from a terminal or from the menu). as user (of course within the good group, and after restarting linux), at first run it says "Failed to initialise COM or the VirtualBox COM server..." This run creates a folder in /tmp and fail to remove it, so the second run give an error in creating this folder (/tmp/.vbox-jdd-ipc/ipcd), that must be deleted by hand. probably a permission problem on the exec files jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
I see this dicussion has stopped. Why ? We haven't got yet to any conclusion. Now the website is up again. So who have tried Vbox? -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
I see this dicussion has stopped. Why ?
We haven't got yet to any conclusion.
Now the website is up again. So who have tried Vbox?
I have installed XP wi no problem, and will use it to try the new 10.3 alpha 3 jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
alpha 3
alpha 2, of course jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox. read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD. What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list? -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
"Alexey Eremenko" <al4321@gmail.com> writes:
This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox.
read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus
In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD.
What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?
We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way. I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way.
I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all,
Hi Andreas! VirtualBox has several licenses. One of them is GPL, which is the version we are discussing for inclusion. VirtualBox is a very powerful Virtualization solution, similar to VMware, but Open-Source. My Documentation is already of high-quality, submitted to LfL, and therefore licensed under GFDL (as all content in LfL). Plus, I promised to update it constantly. There is a pre-rendered version of it available. You can read my article here: (NOTE: link will expire soon, so if you have problem, email me, and I will send you the article directly) http://download.yousendit.com/6E957103384F0318 On a side-note: I'm a bit unhappy due to lack of LfL in the latest Alpha of openSUSE. -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
"Alexey Eremenko" <al4321@gmail.com> writes:
Hi Andreas!
VirtualBox has several licenses. One of them is GPL, which is the version we are discussing for inclusion.
Ok, so that is fine!
VirtualBox is a very powerful Virtualization solution, similar to VMware, but Open-Source.
My Documentation is already of high-quality, submitted to LfL, and therefore licensed under GFDL (as all content in LfL). Plus, I promised to update it constantly.
There is a pre-rendered version of it available.
You can read my article here: (NOTE: link will expire soon, so if you have problem, email me, and I will send you the article directly) http://download.yousendit.com/6E957103384F0318
On a side-note: I'm a bit unhappy due to lack of LfL in the latest Alpha of openSUSE.
Please file a bug in bugzilla, I agree, it should be made available, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi Andreas !
Please file a bug in bugzilla, I agree, it should be made available,
OK, I have filled a bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=257159 You have said, that you will review my case. Thanks in Advance. I have good news: I have documented the new - Seamless Mode Virtualization ! This is truly Revolutionary technology - allows you to run DualOS side-by-side ! screenshot: http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/149/snapshot-Win-a.jpg discussion: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/149 This is the Virtualization of the Future ! -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 19:27 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
"Alexey Eremenko" <al4321@gmail.com> writes:
This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox.
read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus
In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD.
What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?
We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way.
I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all,
The Open Source version is GPLed. Cheers Joachim -- Joachim Werner <joe@suse.de> Senior Product Manager Outbound EMEA -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 19:43 schrieb Joachim Werner:
Am Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 19:27 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
"Alexey Eremenko" <al4321@gmail.com> writes:
This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox.
read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus
In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD.
What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?
We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way.
I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all,
The Open Source version is GPLed.
BTW, I personally think VirtualBox should be on openSUSE as soon as possible. I've been playing around with it for a while and really like it. One thing that I'm missing though is x86-64 support. This is planned, but not implemented yet. Cheers Joachim -- Joachim Werner <joe@suse.de> Senior Product Manager Outbound EMEA -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?
to be sure, write to bugzilla enhancement jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org
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