Στις 19/05/2012 07:30 μμ, ο/η Eric Maeker έγραψε:

2012/5/19 Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr)<iefstathios@gmail.com>:

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Hello Manu,

First of all, please read the list.

For starters, we need a working livecd with the EMR programs installed. When I mean by installed is if I want to show it to a doctor, I just run the livecd and it works. Until now we have a livecd that some programs work after installation of the distro and setup the databases and the programs. I started with openEMR. The SUSE Studio appliance worked as live cd and worked also after installation. Problem was the Gnome environment. Next step was GNUmed and then the rest. Maybe the other 2 EMR programs will work without problems.

After make the livecd work, check other medical projects http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMed http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/FedoraMedical

They have packed many medical programs. They can be added to openSUSE medical repository. Adding those programs, new wiki pages must be written with information on them.

This is a short info about what I was planing. Regards, Stathis

Στις 19/05/2012 03:30 μμ, ο/η Manu Gupta έγραψε:

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Hi Guys,

I wanted to join the effort but I would like to know in what ways can I contribute and what was the workflow till now followed to setup the distribution.

Regards Manu Hi,

I really believe that the OpenSuse Medical team should join the Debian Med one (which is the most active in this domain of work).

My thoughts are that the first need of the OpenSuse Medical project is to provide a full set of stable packages, not really a LiveCD. There are many package already done for OpenSuse (GNUmed, FreeMedForms, FreeDiams...).

Eric, FreeMedForms project administrator, Debian Med member

Eric, I have another point of view. The reason that developers build new software is because there's a need from the doctors to use them. The reason that researchers find a new drug for a disease is because there's a need. So when a new drug is on the market, sellesmen must show the doctors what's the use of it and even give them a sample (if it's not expensive). The same is with software. When you have a new program, sellesmen (or marketing team) must show it to the doctors and then leave them a sample. I think I know the doctors in my country (I hope they're same all around the world) and also conclusions from marketing books I've read. If someone listens something, he remembers 10% of the information after 3 days. If he listens and does something (eg use the livecd), he remembers 65% of the information after 3 days. Personally I think that there's need of follow up. So there's no need to add as many programs as we can to a repository, without show them to the target group. Also the target group is a windows based target group (meaning they need next>next>finish kind of programs). That's my point of view. Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://iosifidis.co.cc or http://eiosifidis.tk http://eiosifidis.wordpress.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/eiosifidis Google+: http://bit.ly/IU5p3I Connect: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/diamond_gr Ένα γραμμάριο δράσης αξίζει ένα τόνο θεωρίας -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-medical+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-medical+owner@opensuse.org

My two cents, I also agree with ERIC here, what we can really do is add these Medical Packages as an add-on and provide for now, then we start emulating factory to autogenerate those snapshots at OBS itself. A quick look over here, shows me https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&project=medical&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 I think lets getting existing build perfectly over factory and testing would be practical. Any thoughts? On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Eric MAEKER <eric.maeker@gmail.com> wrote:

Le 19 mai 2012 à 19:58, Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) a écrit :

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Στις 19/05/2012 07:30 μμ, ο/η Eric Maeker έγραψε:

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Hi,

I really believe that the OpenSuse Medical team should join the Debian Med one (which is the most active in this domain of work).

My thoughts are that the first need of the OpenSuse Medical project is to provide a full set of stable packages, not really a LiveCD. There are many package already done for OpenSuse (GNUmed, FreeMedForms, FreeDiams...).

Eric, FreeMedForms project administrator, Debian Med member

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Eric, I have another point of view. The reason that developers build new software is because there's a need from the doctors to use them. The reason that researchers find a new drug for a disease is because there's a need.

So when a new drug is on the market, sellesmen must show the doctors what's the use of it and even give them a sample (if it's not expensive). The same is with software. When you have a new program, sellesmen (or marketing team) must show it to the doctors and then leave them a sample.

I think I know the doctors in my country (I hope they're same all around the world) and also conclusions from marketing books I've read. If someone listens something, he remembers 10% of the information after 3 days. If he listens and does something (eg use the livecd), he remembers 65% of the information after 3 days.

Personally I think that there's need of follow up.

So there's no need to add as many programs as we can to a repository, without show them to the target group. Also the target group is a windows based target group (meaning they need next>next>finish kind of programs).

That's my point of view.

Sure, but if your "product" is too restrictive for the current practice usage, users will not remember anything you said...

That's how I am when, after too many hours of duty, someone comes to me and tries to show me something that I should use in my current practice.

When I look to the available applications, I really feel like things are missing.

Anyway, you're right, the medical community needs a "demonstrating media".

Where to start is the question!  :)

Eric, freemedforms.com

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