Am 18.02.2011 14:16, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:

Just to emphasize this. This is not only about clearing the stock somehow. There are trash bins for that. But one of our sponsors (Novell) has payed for those DVDs and we owe it to them to not let the DVDs go to waste. And those 11.3 DVDs are perfect for introducing people to openSUSE!

I know that a lot of people think that you can/should only give out the latest and greatest, hence the soon to be released 11.4, and that older versions aren't any good as promo DVDs because, well, they are old. This might be true for ourselves and other FOSS addicts but it's definitely not true for the normal folks out there for whom we do the promo DVDs in the first place. 11.3 is still good for a year, its a great version and by now far more stable then 11.4 will be for the next couple of weeks. It's less surprising, has more mature software and is well spread among people. Qualities a newcomer wants.

So if you have the chance to spread promo DVDs somewhere, your local community center, school or university’s support desk. Your sports club, the next punk concert you attend or in your brothers bar. The computer club or internet cafe around the corner. Anywhere where people might pick them up and try them, go for it!

Promo DVDs are not only about handing them out to people you know that are interested in Linux. This is about spreading them among the general public. You would be surprised how many people find a nice, shiny, green openSUSE DVD interesting enough to finally try this Linux thing they heard about so much on the internet.

So if you can think of anything just contact Jacqueline about the amount you need and where she needs to send it. Oh and don't be shy about the amount, we don't need to scrimp on them! If you think you can get spread 2.000 we send you 2.000. Every DVD that is out there, is out there any might result in a new openSUSE user. This is the perfect opportunity to do something good for the project, take it!

What´s special about the Promo DVD? Have they any software, the normal DVD or the normal KDE/GNOME live CD hasn´t? If somebody here wants openSUSE, I borrow her or him my Box-version or download her or him a KDE-live CD and burn it to a media. Maybe we can ask some linux magazines to publish one of it with the next issue of their magazine? Great PR if you ask me.

Henne

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Am 18.02.2011 15:07, schrieb Manu Gupta:

It has two live dvds GNOME and KDE so you can try anything before installing unlike the normal dvds

But yes offcourse less software Thanks for information. I ask a local school here, if they want some DVDs for the students. If they say yes, I will order some.

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On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

Am 18.02.2011 14:16, schrieb Henne Vogelsang:

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Just to emphasize this. This is not only about clearing the stock somehow. There are trash bins for that. But one of our sponsors (Novell) has payed for those DVDs and we owe it to them to not let the DVDs go to waste. And those 11.3 DVDs are perfect for introducing people to openSUSE!

I know that a lot of people think that you can/should only give out the latest and greatest, hence the soon to be released 11.4, and that older versions aren't any good as promo DVDs because, well, they are old. This might be true for ourselves and other FOSS addicts but it's definitely not true for the normal folks out there for whom we do the promo DVDs in the first place. 11.3 is still good for a year, its a great version and by now far more stable then 11.4 will be for the next couple of weeks. It's less surprising, has more mature software and is well spread among people. Qualities a newcomer wants.

So if you have the chance to spread promo DVDs somewhere, your local community center, school or university’s support desk. Your sports club, the next punk concert you attend or in your brothers bar. The computer club or internet cafe around the corner. Anywhere where people might pick them up and try them, go for it!

Promo DVDs are not only about handing them out to people you know that are interested in Linux. This is about spreading them among the general public. You would be surprised how many people find a nice, shiny, green openSUSE DVD interesting enough to finally try this Linux thing they heard about so much on the internet.

So if you can think of anything just contact Jacqueline about the amount you need and where she needs to send it. Oh and don't be shy about the amount, we don't need to scrimp on them! If you think you can get spread 2.000 we send you 2.000. Every DVD that is out there, is out there any might result in a new openSUSE user. This is the perfect opportunity to do something good for the project, take it!

What´s special about the Promo DVD? Have they any software, the normal DVD or the normal KDE/GNOME live CD hasn´t? If somebody here wants openSUSE, I borrow her or him my Box-version or download her or him a KDE-live CD and burn it to a media.

Maybe we can ask some linux magazines to publish one of it with the next issue of their magazine? Great PR if you ask me.

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Henne

kdl

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Kim, They are great to handout to people to try. They are live DVD with both the 64-bit/32Bit on them. Those that try the DVD can select between Gnome and KDE. Then once tried it, they can install it, or not. Henne is right that we need get these and pass them. The key is to hand them out and promote openSUSE, Novell paid a good bit for those. The box edition, people have to pay for. Free is always good. The Ambassadors need to send in request ask for them so they have them on hand. In fact I chaallenge all the Ambassadors to request them and go to your local user group and help promote openSUSE. I know here were I live there are tons of user group, college and Linux Install Fest going on. I am currently out and will request more. One key thing to remember is if there are a lot left over, Novell can choose not to print a lot and cause a shortage when we do need them. Pup -- ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,  an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Hey, On 18.02.2011 15:44, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

Let me second Henne's comments by adding that for SCALE, we have ordered labels which we will affix to the 11.3 PromoDVDs which will point to the upgrade path for the next version upon release.

Which is, again, great for FOSS freaks like you and me on a FOSS conference like SCALE but doesn't really matter for the general public. They don't need an upgrade right away. We just want them to try it and once they do any they like it we can get them to the point of upgrading with manuals, wiki pages, forum entries, list posts, news postings yadda yada yada. In a years time... The 11.3 promo DVDs do not need stickers to be useful for normal people :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 03:47 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Miguel Barajas wrote:

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Hi there,

Maybe there is a couple of Technology magazines in Mexico that will be interested on ships promo dvds, how many disk can you give away?

Miguel,

Great idea. Could be interesting to approach also other magazines and friendly press to distribute them, and maybe advertise already for the upcoming 11.4.

+1

NM

Actually, that would be precisely why magazines would be less likely to want to distribute older 11.3's. They'd want to be current and provide press coverage for the next release, not for something that is 8 months old. But in any case, we're already talking to several magazines who are planning to send out 11.4's as soon as its ready. the 11.3 Promo DVDs are most useful towards "normal people" as Henne categorized. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 05:46 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 03:47 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Miguel Barajas wrote:

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Hi there,

Maybe there is a couple of Technology magazines in Mexico that will be interested on ships promo dvds, how many disk can you give away?

Miguel,

Great idea. Could be interesting to approach also other magazines and friendly press to distribute them, and maybe advertise already for the upcoming 11.4.

+1

NM

Actually, that would be precisely why magazines would be less likely to want to distribute older 11.3's.

So you don't know for sure? Miguel seems to believe otherwise, maybe not your regional zone, I'm sure that in some zones of the world they would probably be welcomed, specially when internet isn't served like in Europe.

What does internet-impoverishment have to do in this case? If a magazine wants to do a coverage about openSUSE and we're just days away from 11.4, why would we send them "old news"? The cost is just the same if we send a boxful of DVDs to a magazine whether it is 11.3 or 11.4. And by the way, shipping a large quantity of DVDs is not cheap, we're talking in the hundreds here. So naturally, we'd want the best press possible and send them the 11.4's. And there are two ways to do it. We either send a bunch of promo DVDs (as we are doing in one case) or we send them the GM when its ready (as we're doing in another case) and they burn it onto their own distributed DVDs. Both of these cases, by the way, are in the planning, on the magazine editor's part, many weeks before the actual publication. One planning actually began in early January. And making sure they get their DVDs in time for magazine publication is high on the priority list currently. If Miguel has an in with a particular magazine, he should connect the two parties together so we can be sure to give them good coverage material. In both cases, internet access is immaterial to the shipment of DVDs to the magazines. Your reasoning is still based on distributing to individuals, and that isn't changed here. There is a method to how we engage with the press media (or how anybody engages with press, for that matter) and its different than in this case. I'm not disputing Miguel's efforts to reach out to local magazines in his region, only that we can give the magazines more current DVDs, considering the timeline we have before Final Release, and the fact that magazines plan way ahead for their editorial schedule. They don't decide, "Okay, someone just walked into our office with a boxful of DVDs, let's change our whole publication immediately to accommodate that. Stop the presses! We're sending out a openSUSE-dedicated magazine tomorrow!" That's not how it works with magazine editorial planning. If, however, a magazine wanted to do some coverage and DVD distribution and our next release was still 2-3 months away, then sure, heck yeah, we should send whatever is in our current stock. But when its just around the corner... do the math, dude.

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They'd want to be current and provide press coverage for the next release, not for something that is 8 months old.

I don't think you got the picture, but have it your way (like always).

Seems like you didn't get the picture and assumed that magazines behave in a certain way. My information here is based on my own experiences from when I was a media buyer for an ad agency. I'm not sure even how you got the whole "have it your way like always." There's nothing in what I stated here that was some kind of demand or order.nor differentiation from how magazines work their schedule. Only a mention that magazines want something more current. So, if you really have an issue with how magazines work, you should take it up with them and disagree with them for having it their way.

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But in any case, we're already talking to several magazines who are planning to send out 11.4's as soon as its ready.

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the 11.3 Promo DVDs are most useful towards "normal people" as Henne categorized. :-)

Yeah, 'normal people' don't buy magazines ;).

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Bryen

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