[opensuse-marketing] Clarifying our statement on LibreOffice
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice. Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it. We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use: A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice. Both are good, safe statements that retain truth. Thanks! Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
B On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.
Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.
We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:
A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice
B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.
Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.
Thanks! Bryen
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Le 07/03/2011 14:28, Manu Gupta a écrit :
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Guys, before this turns into a long spam thread of people voting... this email was *not* meant to vote for either statement. You can USE either statement according to what fits your needs and audience best. Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding. :-) Bryen On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:58 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:
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On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.
Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.
We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:
A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice
B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.
Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.
Thanks! Bryen
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Le 07/03/2011 17:39, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :
Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding. :-)
I hate reading several times the same thing :-). Kep the bare minimum and all is nice :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko
Guys, before this turns into a long spam thread of people voting... this email was *not* meant to vote for either statement. You can USE either statement according to what fits your needs and audience best.
Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding. :-)
Bryen
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:58 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:
B
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.
Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.
We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:
A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice
B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.
Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.
Thanks! Bryen
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Bryen, It might not have been clear and that is why the voting. Too me I could read into that we could use both. Chuck -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 07 Mar 2011 16:43:52 jdd wrote: I am sure its great promoting openSUSE to other members of the FOSS community, but my real question is how can we really and truly promote openSUSE to the masses, I mean I am out every sunday promoting openSUSE but most people seem to either use Ubuntu or they just are not interested in Linux at all. Sure if we can convince people to switch from Ubuntu to openSUSE its fine, but the real question is, how on earth do we convert the billions if dissatisfied windows users to seriously consider making the switch? I talk about the ease of software installation - rather than hunting through sites for the software just a tick on the box and click install. I take about the security and the idea that by seperating Data from OS and using strong passwords you don't strictly need anti virus software and as such openSUSE can really truly make their computers run fast. Further I talk about the ability to upgrade their computers for free, not just system updates but every application can be updated or even upgraded ie from 11.3 o 11.4. With the launch of 11.4 imminent how can we make this the biggest uptake ever for linux newbies. For people at large. There are youtube videos, facebook pages and such but i don't see people biting our hands off to take up openSUSE. I am interested to here suggestions on what we can do to dramatically increase to uptake of openSUSE from the masses. -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: +44(0)1204 410474 Mob: +44(0)7868 028028 www.bolin.org.uk Distributing openSUSE in the UK Registered Linux User: 529825 Coming soon to the CIS Market @ http://опенсусе.рф/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Sure if we can convince people to switch from Ubuntu to openSUSE its fine, but the real question is, how on earth do we convert the billions if dissatisfied windows users to seriously consider making the switch?
openSUSE is a very stable, technically advanced OS, but as with Linux
in general there is a lot of friction for first time users. The
installer is perhaps the first important hurdle. If the install
process overwhelms the user with questions about things they don't yet
understand, they'll get confused and abort the install. When I tried
out Ubuntu 10.10 a few months ago, I was pleasantly surprised by its
easy installer. As much as I like openSUSE, the Ubuntu installer is
much convenient in my humble opinion.
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPJi4FTuQQ&feature=fvwrel
I want to draw attention to two things:
- The installer starts copying files when the partitioning is
finalized, which saves time.
- The partitioner is, in its easiest form, a simple draggable slider
that lets the user set the amount of space used by Ubuntu. I've opened
a related openFATE request some time ago:
https://features.opensuse.org/311027
Here are some general reasons why Windows users may not want to switch:
- "At least I know the Windows way of doing things. I don't want to
learn use an OS that does things differently." -- Here are a few
examples: the RPM packaging system (as opposed to downloading EXEs
from the software vendors), the file system (/path/to/file versus
C:\path\to\file), the absence of drive letters (drives are mounted as
a directory, e.g. /mnt/cdrom), symbolic links, several desktop
environments (as opposed to "Windows Explorer"). I could go on, but
you get the point.
- "It doesn't have iTunes, so I can't manage my iP[a-zA-Z]+ with the same ease."
- "I can't use Microsoft Office on Linux." -- Although LibreOffice is
the best free alternative to MS Office I've seen so far, it doesn't
offer 100% compatibility with MS Office and it has an Office XP-era
interface. (LibreOffice is provided for free of charge and is
maintained by devoted developers in their spare time, so I know that
they're already doing the best they can with the few resources that
they have.)
And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE
users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support
for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues
involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an
easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little
annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a
hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced
for new users.
Pieter
2011/3/7 Chuck Payne
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko
wrote: Guys, before this turns into a long spam thread of people voting... this email was *not* meant to vote for either statement. You can USE either statement according to what fits your needs and audience best.
Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding. :-)
Bryen
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:58 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:
B
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.
Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.
We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:
A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice
B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.
Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.
Thanks! Bryen
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Bryen,
It might not have been clear and that is why the voting. Too me I could read into that we could use both.
Chuck
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Le 08/03/2011 22:00, Pieter De Decker a écrit :
I want to draw attention to two things: - The installer starts copying files when the partitioning is finalized, which saves time.
but the partitionner writes the partitions to disk as soon as the partition system is choosen, so it'sb imposible to go back if you are not pleased by what come after. openSUSE do not touch the disk until all the preparation is done, much more secure jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-03-07 Bryen wrote:
As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.
Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.
We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:
A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice
as part of a stable release. And imho this is what we should go with. Make bold statements - the amount of attention we have gotten by just saying this has been large :D
B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.
Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.
Thanks! Bryen
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker
And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.
I'm only going to comment on this part... We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate. - James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
A brief comment relating to the subject of this thread, because
someone is going to mention it...
I just completed installing 11.4 NET/LXDE and among the numerous
install idiosynchrosies related to doing the install through a WiFi
connection,
I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often
and repeatedly in the slides... But it looks like openoffice has been
removed entirely from the OSS, replaced by the fork libreoffice.
Personally, I know what's happening but be prepared for the many
people who are going to comment on that.
Now, I've got to scrounge around for the place to post all those
anomalies and idiosynchrosies during my install that should have been
addressed during the Beta...
As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is
plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs
aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.
Tony
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, James Mason
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker
wrote: And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.
I'm only going to comment on this part...
We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate.
- James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides...
I reported a related bug after testing openSUSE 11.4 RC2. "Office.desktop still uses the OpenOffice.org icon instead of the LibreOffice icon" https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675222 Perhaps you can attach your information to that bug.
As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.
Yes, I know that this problem can be solved. But my point is this:
it's a pain in the neck and it's a major hurdle for new users. As far
as I know, Ubuntu has a restricted formats wizard that automates the
install of these codecs. The user has to consent to the install of
these proprietary closed-source codecs and confirm that their actions
don't violate any copyright laws where they live. Why can Canonical
get away with it when Novell can't? Is this because SUSE has its
headquarters in Germany and therefore has to adhere to different
copyright laws than most distributions?
Pieter
2011/3/10 Tony Su
A brief comment relating to the subject of this thread, because someone is going to mention it...
I just completed installing 11.4 NET/LXDE and among the numerous install idiosynchrosies related to doing the install through a WiFi connection,
I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides... But it looks like openoffice has been removed entirely from the OSS, replaced by the fork libreoffice. Personally, I know what's happening but be prepared for the many people who are going to comment on that.
Now, I've got to scrounge around for the place to post all those anomalies and idiosynchrosies during my install that should have been addressed during the Beta...
As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.
Tony
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, James Mason
wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker
wrote: And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.
I'm only going to comment on this part...
We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate.
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Petr
I have not ever seen Canonical displaying their shares publicly that
does saves them a lot from competition. But thats my opinion.
Also, if an openSUSE Foundation maybe things will change regarding
Codecs and free stuff I am not sure..
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Pieter De Decker
I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides...
I reported a related bug after testing openSUSE 11.4 RC2.
"Office.desktop still uses the OpenOffice.org icon instead of the LibreOffice icon" https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675222
Perhaps you can attach your information to that bug.
As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.
Yes, I know that this problem can be solved. But my point is this: it's a pain in the neck and it's a major hurdle for new users. As far as I know, Ubuntu has a restricted formats wizard that automates the install of these codecs. The user has to consent to the install of these proprietary closed-source codecs and confirm that their actions don't violate any copyright laws where they live. Why can Canonical get away with it when Novell can't? Is this because SUSE has its headquarters in Germany and therefore has to adhere to different copyright laws than most distributions?
Pieter
2011/3/10 Tony Su
: A brief comment relating to the subject of this thread, because someone is going to mention it...
I just completed installing 11.4 NET/LXDE and among the numerous install idiosynchrosies related to doing the install through a WiFi connection,
I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides... But it looks like openoffice has been removed entirely from the OSS, replaced by the fork libreoffice. Personally, I know what's happening but be prepared for the many people who are going to comment on that.
Now, I've got to scrounge around for the place to post all those anomalies and idiosynchrosies during my install that should have been addressed during the Beta...
As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.
Tony
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, James Mason
wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker
wrote: And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.
I'm only going to comment on this part...
We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate.
- James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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Bryen M. Yunashko
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Chuck Payne
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James Mason
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jdd
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Jos Poortvliet
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Manu Gupta
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Pieter De Decker
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Stuart Tanner
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Tony Su