[opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Build Service - Call to arms!
Hi all, Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service. In the past days I've took the opportunity to take a closer look into OBS from a scope that isn't mine, the one from a developer/packager. I've signed up for the opensuse-buildservice list, picked a cool soundtrack (Moderat/Aparat/Paul Kalkbrenner), and two packages. notify-osd > a replacement for notification-daemon[1], and to make it more interesting picked up leolik patch[2] alongside, which has been criticized hard by Mark Shuttleworth. This patch allows the bubble of notify-osd to be customized by the user, functionality that Shuttleworth doesn't want out off the box in Ubuntu. A good candidate for all the other distro's, lets make the difference ;) notifyconf[3] > A small tool to customize notify-osd written in Qt (go figure that out). I've struggled, squeeled, but also conquered and the packages in my home repo[4]. I'm going to pick a cool project and then try to make them through to openSUSE:Contrib. During all this process I've been taking notes, gimping for help here and there and checking out the problems usually people have and making notes of the documents people point to me. Once I've finished the process, getting my packages approved or not into the repo, I'll start scribing the article (I would assume depending on answering times this would take 1 or 2 days more). So here's the deal: * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great. * Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles? (flag the article, print the article and inform the readers our Marketing is alive and kickin'). * Artwork Team, could you provide such banner? * Wiki Team, could we have such template? I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure. * Editorial Powers, need someone to review it later, and to make it more english friendly. I have really no schedule for this (only proves that I'm a poor marketeer), but I would point for a final release soon before the conference (as it can be used in the conference). I'm running some extra qualitative research also through some interviews with current packagers/contributors to get some more material to support some claims. PiratePad coming soon. Nelson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 11:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
* Wiki Team, could we have such template? I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That's easy (kind of). I will need similar stuff for user pages on the http://languages.opensuse.org/ that will allow users to mark their language proficiency. Template that will allow inclusion of image plus some text, floating on the right side of the article. The only thing that I would not want is square-ish badges that are used on Wikipedia. Badge size: Horizontal size some 28-30% Vertical 2-3 rows. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 21:44 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 11:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
* Wiki Team, could we have such template? I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That's easy (kind of).
I will need similar stuff for user pages on the http://languages.opensuse.org/ that will allow users to mark their language proficiency.
Template that will allow inclusion of image plus some text, floating on the right side of the article. The only thing that I would not want is square-ish badges that are used on Wikipedia.
Thanks Rajko. I've actually made a page, though I need to work it out better. I would also like to flag it as marketing. I've pointed before this example[1]. Check out the top banner. In practice, I don't mind if it's a bar or a square or even some other form. I haven't made templates for wiki, but can be a good time to learn. I'll look into this soon. If we need some artwork I would risk to say that gnokii will gladly help us, since he kinda got me into this ;) For now, I already know there is a template I can use and I'll check out the 'quotations' template soon, because that's really something I use a lot and find useful for many ends. nelson.
Badge size: Horizontal size some 28-30% Vertical 2-3 rows.
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On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Cool!
[...] * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great.
I will help for sure! Just ask me detailed questions or let's chat over IRC, just ping me, I'm AJaeger on #opensuse-marketing Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 11:18:38 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Cool!
[...] * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great.
I will help for sure! Just ask me detailed questions or let's chat over IRC, just ping me, I'm AJaeger on #opensuse-marketing
Just in case, I am also offering help on this. Maybe you want to add also a "what is new in OBS 2.1?" section, which will go into beta state these days ? Current new features in 2.1 can found here: http://www.suse.de/~adrian/OBS-Roadmap/ I plan to create two videos in the next free second about OBS. One shall show how to fix something simple via the new webui in an openSUSE:Factory project. The other video should demonstrate some new source service and how to use them (together with a blog entry). If someone else want to create these (or other) videos it would be welcome of course also. I can also write a story book for these (got there, click on this). I just want to make some corners a little bit nicer in the webui as needed for 2.1 anyway. thanks adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Adrian, Let me know when such blog entry pops out. By the way, I would love to have a couple of interviews for this. Maybe 4 or 5 with a small set of open questions. It is not the right time to think about this, yet, because first I need to check out the goals that are to be met. Things like: * How we want to introduce OBS; * To whom we want to introduce OBS; * Highlights and Advantages for the previous point. * And how it can be useful to the rest of the world. The interviews would be nice to be done to Projects that actually are enabled by OBS (i've seen at least scribus as a good example to show up), and how it makes life easier for them, the things they value and why would they recommend it. If you some suggestion for the interviews, I'll gladly accept them, since I'll work them out after I know the exact goals we're aiming for. This is becoming a 'community article' which is always nicer, +1. nelson. On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:12 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Maybe you want to add also a "what is new in OBS 2.1?" section, which will go into beta state these days ? Current new features in 2.1 can found here:
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Hi Nelson, On Wednesday 08 September 2010 19:03:00 Nelson Marques wrote:
Adrian,
Let me know when such blog entry pops out. By the way, I would love to have a couple of interviews for this. Maybe 4 or 5 with a small set of open questions. It is not the right time to think about this, yet, because first I need to check out the goals that are to be met.
Things like: * How we want to introduce OBS; * To whom we want to introduce OBS;
Here we have a similar problem like with the openSUSE distribution, it is a swiss knife an can be used by almost every user group. But each has a complete different view to it and needs a different presentation.
* Highlights and Advantages for the previous point. * And how it can be useful to the rest of the world.
The interviews would be nice to be done to Projects that actually are enabled by OBS (i've seen at least scribus as a good example to show up), and how it makes life easier for them, the things they value and why would they recommend it.
If you some suggestion for the interviews, I'll gladly accept them, since I'll work them out after I know the exact goals we're aiming for.
I think you are right when you want to target projects which exists in build.opensuse.org in first place. But you could also interview for example the maintenance people of openSUSE later (because we target maintenance in OBS 2.2 later this year). Another interview partner could be someone from MeeGo enviroment or any other company who runs an own OBS. I can of course ask some of these people if they are willing to do an interview if you want. bye adrian
This is becoming a 'community article' which is always nicer, +1.
nelson.
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:12 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Maybe you want to add also a "what is new in OBS 2.1?" section, which will go into beta state these days ? Current new features in 2.1 can found here:
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On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 20:17 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote: <supressed>
Here we have a similar problem like with the openSUSE distribution, it is a swiss knife an can be used by almost every user group. But each has a complete different view to it and needs a different presentation.
I noticed that openSUSE is placing great efforts in their strategy now. I've chosen not to interfere because I have the feeling I would make it more complex. But here's my opinion... Probably a more generic approach would be better. From my understanding, the users of OBS require some technical skills, like being able to build a package from source. Then you require that the users have some understanding on how packaging works (RPM for example). This really cuts out a lot of 'generic' user-base, so we're aiming at a very technical oriented segments of potential users. Aiming at them, could be a easy way out for starters. So aiming at this people would probably be the best choice, but also providing a small 'startup ramp' for the others wouldn't bring any harm. Above, is actually my opinion.
* Highlights and Advantages for the previous point. * And how it can be useful to the rest of the world.
The interviews would be nice to be done to Projects that actually are enabled by OBS (i've seen at least scribus as a good example to show up), and how it makes life easier for them, the things they value and why would they recommend it.
If you some suggestion for the interviews, I'll gladly accept them, since I'll work them out after I know the exact goals we're aiming for.
I think you are right when you want to target projects which exists in build.opensuse.org in first place. But you could also interview for example the maintenance people of openSUSE later (because we target maintenance in OBS 2.2 later this year).
This is very good feedback, and it does make a good point. We will need to find a way to get some more interviews, its a bit more of work, but will pay off I think. In fact, it could trigger a small chain like: Present OBS > Highlight OBS features > Introduce new Features > People behind features (maintenance). I do favor strong presence of community and 'people'... this is what makes this different from being just a dump of a ChangeLog or Release Notes.
Another interview partner could be someone from MeeGo enviroment or any other company who runs an own OBS. I can of course ask some of these people e they are willing to do an interview if you want.
Yes, I will take your offer. MeeGo is actually the perfect candidate. It is no surprise that the targets of MeeGo and platforms are actually becoming a new trend for the nearby future. This will be great. So if you find more good examples that we can use, I'll welcome them. By the way, I also take this opportunity to ask something, do you have a mascot? And more in the openSUSE orientation, I've seen openSUSE:Contrib displaying a 'Joe Packager', I found this very friendly and amusing. In case you don't have a mascot for OBS, would you be interested that I squeezed a couple of mockups for it? nelson. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 13:12:01 Adrian Schröter wrote:
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 11:18:38 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Cool!
[...] * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great.
I will help for sure! Just ask me detailed questions or let's chat over IRC, just ping me, I'm AJaeger on #opensuse-marketing
Just in case, I am also offering help on this.
Maybe you want to add also a "what is new in OBS 2.1?" section, which will go into beta state these days ? Current new features in 2.1 can found here:
http://www.suse.de/~adrian/OBS-Roadmap/
I plan to create two videos in the next free second about OBS. One shall show how to fix something simple via the new webui in an openSUSE:Factory project.
The other video should demonstrate some new source service and how to use them (together with a blog entry).
Be sure not to just blog about them but to let us know in advance so we can point to it from a news.opensuse article! This will make it much more likely to be picked up by the press. Also, the video's should probably end up being linked to from the OBS site?!?
If someone else want to create these (or other) videos it would be welcome of course also. I can also write a story book for these (got there, click on this).
I just want to make some corners a little bit nicer in the webui as needed for 2.1 anyway.
thanks adrian
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:18 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Cool!
[...] * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great.
I will help for sure! Just ask me detailed questions or let's chat over IRC, just ping me, I'm AJaeger on #opensuse-marketing
I've made a pirate pad for this. So anyone who wants to jump in and leave some stuff would be great. First thing I need it on the pad already. http://piratepad.net/9fxfUeQu7Z nelson.
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On Wednesday 08 September 2010 18:56:19 Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 11:18 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:43:26 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Cool!
[...] * Andreas, want to be my wingman on this? I am aware you have in your possession some interviews to be processed. We can use them. I would also need a small talk over IRC if possible (10/20 minutes) so I know how you want to present OBS, to whom you want it to be appealing to, and pretty much the stuff you want to promote. For the 'new user' experience I'll base it on my own adventure. Also any interesting information you can provide would be great.
I will help for sure! Just ask me detailed questions or let's chat over IRC, just ping me, I'm AJaeger on #opensuse-marketing
I've made a pirate pad for this. So anyone who wants to jump in and leave some stuff would be great. First thing I need it on the pad already.
Cool. As you might know, there is an OBS article being written with a different goal: presenting OBS while luring in people to visit our conference ;-) I expanded upon it quite a bit today, you can find it here: Hi all, anyone interested in reviewing a very nice OBS article on http://piratepad.net/DWALeHTOnL ? I think at least big parts of your article can be copy-pasted, I already did some copying. The article above can hopefully go live sometime this week. That also means we must then push it to the press - by blogging, tweeting and denting! Keep it up :D Cheers, Jos
nelson.
Andreas
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I expanded upon it quite a bit today, you can find it here: Hi all, anyone interested in reviewing a very nice OBS article on http://piratepad.net/DWALeHTOnL ?
I think at least big parts of your article can be copy-pasted, I already did some copying. The article above can hopefully go live sometime this week. That also means we must then push it to the press - by blogging, tweeting and denting!
Jos, I've traded some ideas with Helen and we will build a single article more detailed. We're working on a structure, and will use the same etherpad and we will work the wiki together. The knowledge I have over wiki's I will share with Helen during this and we will share the materials for a unique more insightful article. By the way, the wiki page[1] contents and structure are vapor for now (to be worked on the pad thingie), though the 'Referrals' (subject to change topic name) I would like to keep more accurate. I've done a minimal research and added some links for testing. Any new material, feel free to insert (links) or mail to list, same applies to anyone. I would like to keep an extensive link section that would provide some cool links for a wider audience (press, users, researchers, enthusiasts, etc). I will contact Andreas soon to get some additional information (mainly advice on how he would like OBS to be 'portraited', and will work out with some interviews suggested by Adrian, starting with Meego (probably Scribus and openVAS or any you guys think we should do). nelson [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OBS:Article
Keep it up :D
Cheers, Jos
nelson.
Andreas
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I will contact Andreas soon to get some additional information (mainly advice on how he would like OBS to be 'portraited', and will work out with some interviews suggested by Adrian, starting with Meego (probably Scribus and openVAS or any you guys think we should do).
Sorry for not answering earlier on this ;-( We basically have the following target groups for obs: * packagers packaging for the openSUSE distribution - but we do not need to reach them with an article since I expect they know about it * potential packagers for the openSUSE distribution * upstream projects: We offer them obs as a service to build and distribute their packages for multiple distributions. * ISVs: Those might want to install their own instance of OBS in their infrastructure. I would target right now potential packagers and upstream projects with an article. Btw. Sascha did some interviews that never got published: http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team/OBS#Interviews Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
* upstream projects: We offer them obs as a service to build and distribute their packages for multiple distributions. * ISVs: Those might want to install their own instance of OBS in their infrastructure.
I would target right now potential packagers and upstream projects with an article.
These are the groups we need to be targeting in the broader media I think?
Btw. Sascha did some interviews that never got published: http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team/OBS#Interviews
Andreas --
To me available on the internet != unpublished. It's out there for people to read even if it hasn't received attention. I'll check it out for reference and background, but I would only use brief quotes at most in a print media article - they want fresh material. cheers Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 19 November 2010 12:47:34 Helen wrote:
* upstream projects: We offer them obs as a service to build and distribute their packages for multiple distributions. * ISVs: Those might want to install their own instance of OBS in their infrastructure.
I would target right now potential packagers and upstream projects with an article.
These are the groups we need to be targeting in the broader media I think?
Yes, that is my suggestion.
Btw. Sascha did some interviews that never got published: http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team/OBS#Interviews
Andreas --
To me available on the internet != unpublished. It's out there for people to read even if it hasn't received attention. I'll check it out for reference and background, but I would only use brief quotes at most in a print media article - they want fresh material.
Fresh material from the MeeGo conference: http://twitter.com/#!/segphault/status/4131352853086208 Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote:
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Great!
* Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles?
Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats "wrong" with the general article template? :)
I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote:
Some days ago on the IRC it poped out that I would be writing a small article for openSUSE Build Service.
Great!
* Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles?
Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats "wrong" with the general article template? :)
Hi, I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team. By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service
Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again.
Henne
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Hi, On 08.09.2010 14:42, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote:
* Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles?
Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats "wrong" with the general article template? :)
I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team.
Please, elaborate.
By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one.
I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service
Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again.
Just put it somewhere :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:48 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On 08.09.2010 14:42, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote:
* Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles?
Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats "wrong" with the general article template? :)
I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team.
Please, elaborate.
Well, it's nothing that makes a difference, but I was used to it from another project, where Marketing, Ambassadors and other sub-projects had a top banner (template) which flagged the article/page with the team which created it. Example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nmarques The top banner is a template. It's nice to use in the project as people will identify you with the 'role' you have or to the sub-project where you contribute.
By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one.
Will do. By the way if you _dont_ have a wiki page with the templates available, please send me a list of them and the location/category to use and I'll make one for reference for future usage.
I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service
Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again.
Just put it somewhere :)
For the time being, it's being piratepad. :) Once it's to be transferred I'll shop around for advice. Thanks once more, nelson.
Henne
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Hey, On 09/08/2010 06:54 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:48 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 08.09.2010 14:42, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote:
* Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles?
Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats "wrong" with the general article template? :)
I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team.
Please, elaborate.
Well, it's nothing that makes a difference, but I was used to it from another project, where Marketing, Ambassadors and other sub-projects had a top banner (template) which flagged the article/page with the team which created it.
Example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nmarques
The top banner is a template. It's nice to use in the project as people will identify you with the 'role' you have or to the sub-project where you contribute.
For a user page i understand this but for random pages? A reader does not care who wrote the material. As long as its discoverable and readable. And what if two team collaborate on a page? Are we going to show two banners? I don't think this is a good idea.
By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one.
Will do. By the way if you _dont_ have a wiki page with the templates available, please send me a list of them and the location/category to use and I'll make one for reference for future usage.
There is of course Help:Template and Help:Standard_templates
I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure.
That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service
Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again.
Just put it somewhere :)
For the time being, it's being piratepad. :) Once it's to be transferred I'll shop around for advice.
What i said above is the advice. Just put it somewhere and if it does not fit then we can move it. Don't let the question of location putt you off a wiki contribution. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 13:40:44 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
A reader does not care who wrote the material.
:) That is possible with popular topics on Wikipedia that attract enough competent authors, but elsewhere you decide to trust, or not, only if you know who is behind information. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 10/09/2010 07:00, Rajko M. a écrit :
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 13:40:44 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
A reader does not care who wrote the material.
:)
That is possible with popular topics on Wikipedia that attract enough competent authors, but elsewhere you decide to trust, or not, only if you know who is behind information.
should be so, but often it's not :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:48 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one.
OK. I've started the page here[1] and eventually I inserted some code[2] taken from the wikipedia site, could you make sure it complies?. The output isn't strange, actually it does look cute to me. 8) It should work as: {{Quotation|Material to Quote|Title|Publication}}. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OBS:Article (no categories, nothing) [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Quotations And this two I tried to do them as 'dependencies', but you can remove them and prolly check out the [2]. [3] - http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Lorem [4] - http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Lorem_Ipsum they do provide nice functionality. I apologize for experimenting on the live wiki. Nelson. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 12 September 2010 19:48:14 Nelson Marques wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:48 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'?
There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one.
OK. I've started the page here[1] and eventually I inserted some code[2] taken from the wikipedia site, could you make sure it complies?.
The output isn't strange, actually it does look cute to me. 8) It should work as: {{Quotation|Material to Quote|Title|Publication}}.
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OBS:Article (no categories, nothing) [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Quotations
It is singular. http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Quotation I placed {{cleanup}} tag as it is currently without doc page, so that someone can find and fix it. Wiki doesn't automatically correct singular vs. plural, it has to be added redirect to correct this. The newly installed wiki search will find article, but it will not jump directly if there is no redirect. Also, it would be good to change your wiki search preferences to include more namespaces. It is located at Actions >> My preferences >> Tab Search . I would add openSUSE, File, Template, Help, SDB and possibly Archive. User namespace is probably out of your interest. Property, Type, Form, Concept belong to Semantic MediaWiki extension; currently they are empty and searching there can be done trough Semantic MediaWiki tools.
And this two I tried to do them as 'dependencies', but you can remove them and prolly check out the [2].
[3] - http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Lorem [4] - http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Lorem_Ipsum
There is already: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Lorem_ipsum We are trying to follow Wikipedia capitalization, which allows capital letter on the beginning of the article, or section, title, and for words that are proper nouns. Ditto, old template Template:Lorem_Ipsum (old wiki) is now Template:Lorem_ipsum.
they do provide nice functionality. I apologize for experimenting on the live wiki.
No problems, just mark article that you don't need with {{delete}} which will list them in category that sysops should check regularly and remove articles that pass deletion criteria. (that sysops don't do that is another pair of shoes)
Nelson.
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