Hey all fosdem-goers!
I dunno about you, but I had a lot of fun at FOSDEM... But before catching up to sleep I think we should let the world know what happened!
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
Thanks, Jos
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 19:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable
but I
bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
Stealing from another thread. :-)
The demise of ietherpad.com (which was the most stable IMO until they goofed and did not create backups for their site) leads us to look at other pad sites. None of which seem stable even for few minutes at a time. Piratepad is horrible.
Which leads to the question: What can we use for a good document collaboration tool? Some may suggest wiki, but I fear its not a great solution either as we generate lots of pads in the past and we'll just end up littering our wiki, and besides it does not offer the same ease of collaboration that a pad offered.
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Thoughts?
Bryen
Le 06/02/2012 19:17, Bryen M Yunashko a écrit :
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Thoughts?
we still can use my etherpad-lite install http://dodin.org:9001/,
but it's really "lite" (no summary, one have to keep good bookmarks...)
I can install what we need if directed to se link.
in the long term this should be done on connect
jdd
On 06.02.2012 19:17, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
Stealing from another thread. :-)
The demise of ietherpad.com (which was the most stable IMO until they goofed and did not create backups for their site) leads us to look at other pad sites. None of which seem stable even for few minutes at a time. Piratepad is horrible.
Which leads to the question: What can we use for a good document collaboration tool? Some may suggest wiki, but I fear its not a great solution either as we generate lots of pads in the past and we'll just end up littering our wiki, and besides it does not offer the same ease of collaboration that a pad offered.
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Thoughts?
Bryen
Still there's EyeOS around, which is a linux based OS running in your browser (okay, on a web server, it's only shown in your browser.) It delivers basic office tools like writer, impress-/calc-like software. It could run on openSUSE infrastructure (if the admins allow it) or on any other, since installation is via webbrowser (only put it on your ftp via filezilla and then let's go!) As an alternative we could take 7GB webspace at http://www.square7.ch
Hmm?
On 2012-02-06 12:17:49 (-0600), Bryen M Yunashko suserocks@bryen.com wrote:
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 19:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable
but I
bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
Stealing from another thread. :-)
The demise of ietherpad.com (which was the most stable IMO until they goofed and did not create backups for their site) leads us to look at other pad sites. None of which seem stable even for few minutes at a time. Piratepad is horrible.
Which leads to the question: What can we use for a good document collaboration tool? Some may suggest wiki, but I fear its not a great solution either as we generate lots of pads in the past and we'll just end up littering our wiki, and besides it does not offer the same ease of collaboration that a pad offered.
Indeed, the wiki is not suited for that at all, as we cannot edit in parallel.
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Well, just someone with a google account and using google docs (you don't need a google account nor logging in if it is shared as "anyone with the link can edit", which is the same level of (lack of) security as we have with etherpads ;))
But you do need a google account to create such a document.
Thoughts?
Hosting our own has been declined by darix because it is not packaged as an RPM (doing so is very painful AFAICR). We could bypass the hosting team at SUSE and host it on opensu.se instead but then again, I don't think that it would be more stable running on our own infrastructure, it's more probably a bunch of flaws in the software itself.
cheers
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 22:50 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Well, just someone with a google account and using google docs (you don't need a google account nor logging in if it is shared as "anyone with the link can edit", which is the same level of (lack of) security as we have with etherpads ;))
But you do need a google account to create such a document.
Google does indeed offer the most logical choice for us, although I see a proliferation issue with using so many different accounts. (More inconvenience than anything else.) But my only real concern is the "purists." There are people who disdain the use of non-fully open sourced services and some will balk at using Google. I'm certainly not a purist, but... I do respect their stances and would like to see us use a tool that doesn't inflict on some political ideologies. That said, we simply don't seem to have any logical alternative until someone creates a more stable pad service, I guess.
Not to mention that Google Docs is glaringly known in the blind community for not being an accessible service.
Thoughts?
Hosting our own has been declined by darix because it is not packaged as an RPM (doing so is very painful AFAICR). We could bypass the hosting team at SUSE and host it on opensu.se instead but then again, I don't think that it would be more stable running on our own infrastructure, it's more probably a bunch of flaws in the software itself.
I recall you doing a test implementation last year and it was woefully unstable. Would it be worth running another test with the latest version of etherpad-lite and seeing if its any better now?
Just to reiterate, the ietherpad "permanent" outage hurt a lot of people out there. There was no backup service included with the site and when their Amazon EC2 hosted service hit a snag, everyone around the world lost their documents permanently. (Lesson learned - We must make backup copies of everything we store online.) So, an opensu.se service should also incorporate some kind of failback/backup method.
cheers
L'chaim!
Στις 07/02/2012 12:14 πμ, ο/η Bryen M Yunashko έγραψε:
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 22:50 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Several efforts lately I have done have been stymied by the lack of a stable doc collaboration tool. Some people suggest Google Apps, but umm... meh.
Well, just someone with a google account and using google docs (you don't need a google account nor logging in if it is shared as "anyone with the link can edit", which is the same level of (lack of) security as we have with etherpads ;))
But you do need a google account to create such a document.
Google does indeed offer the most logical choice for us, although I see a proliferation issue with using so many different accounts. (More inconvenience than anything else.) But my only real concern is the "purists." There are people who disdain the use of non-fully open sourced services and some will balk at using Google. I'm certainly not a purist, but... I do respect their stances and would like to see us use a tool that doesn't inflict on some political ideologies. That said, we simply don't seem to have any logical alternative until someone creates a more stable pad service, I guess.
Not to mention that Google Docs is glaringly known in the blind community for not being an accessible service.
I guess it's a platform that we can add it to GSoC 2012.
I tried Fengoffice (http://www.fengoffice.com/web/) to test it with the Greeks.
I set it up here http://diamond.vipfree.us/fengoffice
Unfortunately, you must have account to login (since it's a testing, I can give you access. Just ask me PM). It's has all the positives of Google and also it has a notepad. Until now, I didn't find a chat module.
Take care, Stathis
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pascal Bleser pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
I am waiting for Bruno to ask what my paypal account is so I can send him $10 for a openSUSE Knit Cap, so I can keep my bald head warm and stop wearing a cap from a major linux company here in the US. I like green not red.
On Monday, February 06, 2012 13:22:56 Chuck Payne wrote:
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pascal Bleser
pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
I am waiting for Bruno to ask what my paypal account is so I can send him $10 for a openSUSE Knit Cap, so I can keep my bald head warm and stop wearing a cap from a major linux company here in the US. I like green not red.
YES, those caps need to be mentioned!!! Bruno, maybe you can add a few words?!?
Something like (I have no internet access otherwise I'd add it myself): "A noteworthy goody were the openSUSE Knit Caps, courtesy of the creativity of Bruno Friedman. They sold like cookies (did we mention it was cold yet?)."
/Jos
On 2012-02-06 20:47:04 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
YES, those caps need to be mentioned!!! Bruno, maybe you can add a few words?!?
Something like (I have no internet access otherwise I'd add it myself): "A noteworthy goody were the openSUSE Knit Caps, courtesy of the creativity of Bruno Friedman. They sold like cookies (did we mention it was cold yet?)."
Would be even better to link a photo to it. Do we haz ?
cheers
Feel free to add the fact you 'converted' a guy from Fedora to OpenSuse at Fosdem :) https://twitter.com/#!/bogomep/status/166479459858391040
//Bogo
On 6 February 2012 22:45, Pascal Bleser pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 20:47:04 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
YES, those caps need to be mentioned!!! Bruno, maybe you can add a few words?!?
Something like (I have no internet access otherwise I'd add it myself): "A noteworthy goody were the openSUSE Knit Caps, courtesy of the creativity of Bruno Friedman. They sold like cookies (did we mention it was cold yet?)."
Would be even better to link a photo to it. Do we haz ?
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 09:04 +0100, Bogomil Shopov wrote:
Feel free to add the fact you 'converted' a guy from Fedora to OpenSuse at Fosdem :) https://twitter.com/#!/bogomep/status/166479459858391040
//Bogo
Step 1: Distro conversion - Awesome!
Next Step 2: Name conversion - Convert 'OpenSuse' to 'openSUSE'.
:-)
Welcome to our community, Bogo!
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project
On 7 February 2012 09:06, Bryen M Yunashko suserocks@bryen.com wrote:
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 09:04 +0100, Bogomil Shopov wrote:
Feel free to add the fact you 'converted' a guy from Fedora to OpenSuse at Fosdem :) https://twitter.com/#!/bogomep/status/166479459858391040
//Bogo
Step 1: Distro conversion - Awesome!
Next Step 2: Name conversion - Convert 'OpenSuse' to 'openSUSE'.
One step at a time :) Got it!
:-)
Welcome to our community, Bogo!
It's my pleasure
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project
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On 02/06/2012 08:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Monday, February 06, 2012 13:22:56 Chuck Payne wrote:
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pascal Bleser
pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
I am waiting for Bruno to ask what my paypal account is so I can send him $10 for a openSUSE Knit Cap, so I can keep my bald head warm and stop wearing a cap from a major linux company here in the US. I like green not red.
YES, those caps need to be mentioned!!! Bruno, maybe you can add a few words?!?
Something like (I have no internet access otherwise I'd add it myself): "A noteworthy goody were the openSUSE Knit Caps, courtesy of the creativity of Bruno Friedman. They sold like cookies (did we mention it was cold yet?)."
/Jos
Also just push my fosdem 2012 album Feel free to pick, comment, enjoy what you need
http://picasaweb.google.com/friedmann.bruno/Fosdem2012?authuser=0&feat=d...
On 02/06/2012 07:22 PM, Chuck Payne wrote:
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pascal Bleser pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
I am waiting for Bruno to ask what my paypal account is so I can send him $10 for a openSUSE Knit Cap, so I can keep my bald head warm and stop wearing a cap from a major linux company here in the US. I like green not red.
It's coming dear :D
2012/2/7 Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch:
On 02/06/2012 07:22 PM, Chuck Payne wrote:
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Pascal Bleser pascal.bleser@opensuse.org wrote:
On 2012-02-06 18:50:31 (+0100), Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote: [...]
I did a little write-up and now need some review, additions and pictures from ya'll. Anyone who has good pictures for news.o.o please mail me. IF you point me to an online picture, make sure I can use it (license-wise) please!
Article draft: https://pad.riseup.net/p/fosdem
Added some bits, good to go imho.
(*yes* yes another etherpad lite thing. Hope this one is more stable but I bet it's not)
No, not that stable indeed :\
cheers
-o) Pascal Bleser /\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green __v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
I am waiting for Bruno to ask what my paypal account is so I can send him $10 for a openSUSE Knit Cap, so I can keep my bald head warm and stop wearing a cap from a major linux company here in the US. I like green not red.
It's coming dear :D
--
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I also have some pics you might find interesting Have a look at https://picasaweb.google.com/warlordfff/Fosdem2012?authuser=0&feat=direc...
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