On Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:16:49 AM you wrote:

2011/5/15 Roger Luedecke :

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One thing that keeps people from adopting Linux is the problem of websites being designed using MS only technologies, or that block non MS browsers or OSes. Would it be feasible for us to set up a list of commonly used / important websites that do this, and lobby those sites to adopt modern stadards, and to blitz whatever reviews possible to indicate their failure and lower their ranking, thus pressutring them to adopt standards? --

Nice idea but do you have any websites in mind?

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Kostas I'll have to talk to a few of my friends that have brought some up, then I'll make my own list which would be added to whatever list or DB we create. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday, May 15, 2011 07:12:10 PM Roger Luedecke wrote:

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One thing that keeps people from adopting Linux is the problem of websites being designed using MS only technologies, or that block non MS browsers or OSes. Would it be feasible for us to set up a list of commonly used / important websites that do this, and lobby those sites to adopt modern stadards, and to blitz whatever reviews possible to indicate their failure and lower their ranking, thus pressutring them to adopt standards?

A lot is possible - but let's focus on what is at the heart of the openSUSE project and I suggest to find another project that will do that kind of lobbying and help them,

andreas Well, I don't see why we couldn't get the initiative rolling. Not that such a

On Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:49:11 PM Andreas Jaeger wrote: thing is for the ambassadors to dedicate their time to, but I think it could be a aa good program. And every idea has to start somewhere. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Monday, May 16, 2011 01:20:24 PM Jos Poortvliet wrote:

On Monday 16 May 2011 09:51:14 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:49:11 PM Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Sunday, May 15, 2011 07:12:10 PM Roger Luedecke wrote:

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One thing that keeps people from adopting Linux is the problem of websites being designed using MS only technologies, or that block non MS browsers or OSes. Would it be feasible for us to set up a list of commonly used / important websites that do this, and lobby those sites to adopt modern stadards, and to blitz whatever reviews possible to indicate their failure and lower their ranking, thus pressutring them to adopt standards?

A lot is possible - but let's focus on what is at the heart of the openSUSE project and I suggest to find another project that will do that kind of lobbying and help them,

andreas

Well, I don't see why we couldn't get the initiative rolling. Not that such a thing is for the ambassadors to dedicate their time to, but I think it could be a aa good program. And every idea has to start somewhere.

If you want to do it - that is fine. And yes, some openSUSE people might join you in it - as a Free Software community, we care about such things. But it is, as AJ said, not a core thing for us...

I don't really think "openSUSE" should be emailing websites to complain about their lack of standards-compliance. It doesn't make much sense for us. A project like the Free Software Foundation is about that stuff - not us.

The people interested are the companies and projects Opera, Apple (Safari), Google (Chrome/Chromium) and Mozilla (Firefox). So, those are on my mind... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On 05/16/2011 09:51 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Sunday, May 15, 2011 07:12:10 PM Roger Luedecke wrote:

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One thing that keeps people from adopting Linux is the problem of websites being designed using MS only technologies, or that block non MS browsers or OSes. Would it be feasible for us to set up a list of commonly used / important websites that do this, and lobby those sites to adopt modern stadards, and to blitz whatever reviews possible to indicate their failure and lower their ranking, thus pressutring them to adopt standards?

A lot is possible - but let's focus on what is at the heart of the openSUSE project and I suggest to find another project that will do that kind of lobbying and help them,

andreas Well, I don't see why we couldn't get the initiative rolling. Not that such a

On Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:49:11 PM Andreas Jaeger wrote: thing is for the ambassadors to dedicate their time to, but I think it could be a aa good program. And every idea has to start somewhere.

I so hate those cross-posting message, choose if it's marketing or ambassadors :-) Those kind of initiative has already been launched for example by fsfe.org for the non-free pdf reader. They just have everything in place already for example http://fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders/pdfreaders.en.html and some other http://fsfe.org/projects/os/os.en.html I know that in France, there's several associations working on this subject like Aful and April. I'm pretty sure in other countries they already do that too. I would push in the same as Andreas, and try to keep focus on our project and distribution. I will certainly applause a website + form + database that refer the well-player, it's positive way of doing the same. But the site has to been done! So numbers! -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org