I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
The idea isn't bad. Seems very encouraging for ambassadors.
However, for those who are unaware, Novell offers a FREE Novell Certified Linux Administrator certificate to those passing LPIC Level I.
Regards,
http://www.novell.com/training/freelearning/
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 15:40, Nitin K Sookun nsgupta@indra.mu wrote:
The idea isn't bad. Seems very encouraging for ambassadors.
However, for those who are unaware, Novell offers a FREE Novell Certified Linux Administrator certificate to those passing LPIC Level I.
Regards,
Nitin K Sookun (aka Ish) Freenode nick: Ishwon Channel: #opensuse FB: http://www.facebook.com/ish.sookun
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On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 11:10 -0700, Roger Luedecke wrote: I think it might be a good move if training and certification were
offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent
and
helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
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What a great resource! Thanks for this hidden gem!
Rich
On Friday 13 May 2011 7:58:34 pm Raul wrote:
http://www.novell.com/training/freelearning/
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 15:40, Nitin K Sookun nsgupta@indra.mu wrote:
The idea isn't bad. Seems very encouraging for ambassadors.
However, for those who are unaware, Novell offers a FREE Novell Certified Linux Administrator certificate to those passing LPIC Level I.
Regards,
Nitin K Sookun (aka Ish) Freenode nick: Ishwon Channel: #opensuse FB: http://www.facebook.com/ish.sookun
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and
helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
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On 5/13/2011 at 12:10 PM, in message 4DCD7407.8080805@gmail.com, Roger
Luedecke roger.luedecke@gmail.com wrote:
I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
Roger,
I'm intrigued with this idea. I think that offering something like this to our Ambassadors is a great idea, and ask for your help to make this idea feasible.
Here's my concern. Since the process to become an Ambassador is very simple [1], we don't want people signing up as Ambassadors simply as a free mechanism to get their CLA. This would create work, clutter and noise to our community. People would sign up and then we would never hear from them again. It would also create extra expense (as in real $) to our community and/or SUSE as a sponsor; money expended without benefit to our community.
Help me come up with a workable proposal. How can we offer this to "real" Ambassadors and filter out those who would just abuse the benefit?
As you pointed out " it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community", it would be a great incentive to become an Ambassador and a great personal benefit to the Ambassador (aka resume item).
Also by the way thanks for being willing to post the idea.
Alan
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors#How_do_I_join.3F
On 20.05.2011 19:07, Alan Clark wrote:
On 5/13/2011 at 12:10 PM, in message4DCD7407.8080805@gmail.com
I'm intrigued with this idea. I think that offering something like this to our Ambassadors is a great idea, and ask for your help to make this idea feasible.
Here's my concern. Since the process to become an Ambassador is very simple [1], we don't want people signing up as Ambassadors simply as a free mechanism to get their CLA. This would create work, clutter and noise to our community. People would sign up and then we would never hear from them again. It would also create extra expense (as in real $) to our community and/or SUSE as a sponsor; money expended without benefit to our community. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors#How_do_I_join.3F
Hey,
I agree with the idea of making free courses for ambassadors. But I see the problem too. In my opinion, it's not on behalf of openSUSE to have several ambassadors who just sign up and then aren't heard any more.
I believe, that an ambassador should run through a similar process as an openSUSE Member has too. Every ambassador should apply for the post e.g. at the newsletter or the website and has to get at least a certain number of supporters of his or her ideas to become ambassador.
That would raise the quality of the post of an openSUSE ambassador!
On Friday, May 20, 2011 2:31:10 PM Okuro Okiawa wrote:
On 20.05.2011 19:07, Alan Clark wrote:
On 5/13/2011 at 12:10 PM, in message4DCD7407.8080805@gmail.com
I'm intrigued with this idea. I think that offering something like this to our Ambassadors is a great idea, and ask for your help to make this idea feasible.
Here's my concern. Since the process to become an Ambassador is very simple [1], we don't want people signing up as Ambassadors simply as a free mechanism to get their CLA. This would create work, clutter and noise to our community. People would sign up and then we would never hear from them again. It would also create extra expense (as in real $) to our community and/or SUSE as a sponsor; money expended without benefit to our community. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors#How_do_I_join.3F
Hey,
I agree with the idea of making free courses for ambassadors. But I see the problem too. In my opinion, it's not on behalf of openSUSE to have several ambassadors who just sign up and then aren't heard any more.
I believe, that an ambassador should run through a similar process as an openSUSE Member has too. Every ambassador should apply for the post e.g. at the newsletter or the website and has to get at least a certain number of supporters of his or her ideas to become ambassador.
That would raise the quality of the post of an openSUSE ambassador!
Just an idea to play all around. As this training sponsored program could start to improve and standardize the tecnical skills for ambassadors . It can starts with the older active ambassadors and assigning a quota for some regions or countries (maybe based on population size) at the very beginning.
Advantages: Doing so you could manage better the resources. If this pilot program makes the expected results move forward with the next group and so on. You will have the first generation, second, third, .....trainees. Better and solid knowledge of openSUSE or SUSE could activate a solid participation and arguments.
Cons: we would need the ambassador subscriptions date to organize the lists. It needs a teamwork to organize ambassadors, region or countries, subscription date.
Regards,
Am 20.05.2011 22:33, schrieb Ricardo Chung:
Cons: we would need the ambassador subscriptions date to organize the lists. It needs a teamwork to organize ambassadors, region or countries, subscription date.
Simply this is the point. I don´t if AJ still has the e-mail with which I´ve started in the end of 2010. And I don´t know if he still has the other mails. I don´t think so, so the first step is to find a way to create a list, which ambassador was first there and which ambassdor came after him, and which came after him.
On Friday, May 20, 2011 6:52:59 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 20.05.2011 22:33, schrieb Ricardo Chung:
Cons: we would need the ambassador subscriptions date to organize the lists. It needs a teamwork to organize ambassadors, region or countries, subscription date.
Simply this is the point. I don´t if AJ still has the e-mail with which I´ve started in the end of 2010. And I don´t know if he still has the other mails.
Hmm, december. I can remember AJ was out for parental license. Maybe he doesn't have those e-mails you did mention above. Do you have it, it is the same subject on it? I was checking my archives but not find them (at least not the same subject). Pls, would you refresh it.
I don´t think so, so the first step is to find a way to create a list, which ambassador was first there and which ambassdor came after him, and which came after him.
Not sure wether there is subscription or registration ordered by date list. It would accelerate the job making it easier.
I hope that list exists. It would be a good start to test the training program, don't you think so?
;-)
On Friday 20 May 2011 19:07:59 Alan Clark wrote:
On 5/13/2011 at 12:10 PM, in message 4DCD7407.8080805@gmail.com, Roger
Luedecke roger.luedecke@gmail.com wrote:
I think it might be a good move if training and certification were offered free to Ambassadors. Something like the Certified Linux Administrator. I think it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community. Thoughts? Can we harass Novell about this idea?
Roger,
I'm intrigued with this idea. I think that offering something like this to our Ambassadors is a great idea, and ask for your help to make this idea feasible.
Here's my concern. Since the process to become an Ambassador is very simple [1], we don't want people signing up as Ambassadors simply as a free mechanism to get their CLA. This would create work, clutter and noise to our community. People would sign up and then we would never hear from them again. It would also create extra expense (as in real $) to our community and/or SUSE as a sponsor; money expended without benefit to our community.
We already have (or at least, had) people sign up as ambassador and not doing anything, so yes, there is a real concern. Moreover, CLA is not useful for everyone. Last but not least, the last thing in the world I want is to tell some ambassadors "you're doing enough work" and others "you're not doing enough".
Help me come up with a workable proposal. How can we offer this to "real" Ambassadors and filter out those who would just abuse the benefit?
As you pointed out " it would be a huge boon to assuring competent and helpful community", it would be a great incentive to become an Ambassador and a great personal benefit to the Ambassador (aka resume item).
Agreed, it has real benefits.
JDD's idea to give a limited number of most active ambassadors the exam makes a lot of sense. As Kim noted, it would be very hard to pick the top 10 active ambassadors, so I propose to use a different way of picking people: - we define a minimum-criterium like "must have been ambassador for 3 months and gone to at least 3 events and send in a report from at least 2 of those" kinf of thing - then anyone who fits the criteria can sign in on a lottery and the lucky 10 winners get their exam...
That way, we ensure we don't have people who just join as ambassador for this program; but we don't have to do the complex ranking of 'most active ambassadors'. And we make sure only people who are interested get the exam.
How feasible is this: You can probably build a way of 'subscribing to the lottery' on connect; you can simply only check the winners, see if they fit the criteria. If one of them doesn't, pick another person from the pool. That way, you only have to check a limited number of people.
To do this, we need to do a few things:
* figure out how feasible this is from SUSE's perspective: how expensive is it? Can it be done online? etc. I hope Alan can tell us that.
* Then we need to come up with a reasonable list of criteria. It is a real bikeshedding thing and we can discuss such a list for ages so I'm inclined to simply call AJ, talk 10 minutes with him and decide on a list of criteria... But we can also ask for example Kim, JDD, chuck and Kostas to talk to Alan and the 5 of em come up with a good set of criteria. Don't start a list-wide discussion as it'll never end. We already make me wonder sometimes how incredibly successful our marketing would be if we wrote as much marketing texts as we wrote emails but unfortunately we don't :(
* We need to ask the connect ppl if we can use connect for the lottery thing.
* then simply make sure we have say 10 slots for CLA; tell the ambassadors to subscribe to the lotterly (if they fit the criteria); and do it.
Also by the way thanks for being willing to post the idea.
Alan
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors#How_do_I_join.3F
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