[opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Magazine
Hi All, I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time. One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide. Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228 Thanks a lot. -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, December 04, 2011 07:23:20 PM Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Linux Journal changed this year from printed form to electronic. Reason, majority of expenses were around printing and delivering. Although, there is a lot of content on the web free of charge, they obviously hope to provide quality that poeple will pay for. Reading printed on a paper is interesting only to older generation growing with books and magazines, younger use computers and related devices. What can make magazine interesting and worth to read is quality content. Blogs, forums posts, wiki, IRC have various level of quality, magazine should be much more serious about its selection of published articles.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
From GCI perspective I consider work done, as it used elements and colors that we use everywhere.
From non GCI perspective it looks good if we accept that only offical mascot (no shape and color changes allowed) and green can be used anywhere in a design, which, in my humble opinion, is not the case.
(I guess it is a time to subscribe to git<something> and start uploading Geeko variations that are easy copy-paste element for future designs.)
Thanks a lot.
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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote:
On Sunday, December 04, 2011 07:23:20 PM Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Linux Journal changed this year from printed form to electronic. Reason, majority of expenses were around printing and delivering. Although, there is a lot of content on the web free of charge, they obviously hope to provide quality that poeple will pay for.
Reading printed on a paper is interesting only to older generation growing with books and magazines, younger use computers and related devices.
What can make magazine interesting and worth to read is quality content. Blogs, forums posts, wiki, IRC have various level of quality, magazine should be much more serious about its selection of published articles.
Offcourse, I agree on this.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
From GCI perspective I consider work done, as it used elements and colors that we use everywhere.
From non GCI perspective it looks good if we accept that only offical mascot (no shape and color changes allowed) and green can be used anywhere in a design, which, in my humble opinion, is not the case.
Yes, other colors than green can be used too.
(I guess it is a time to subscribe to git<something> and start uploading Geeko variations that are easy copy-paste element for future designs.)
However, I think you missed my point over here. What I mean to say is have a small brochure or set of articles in a printed form and send it to various companies or in corporate conferences where we can actually show what openSUSE has been doing and ask for sponsorship. Giving something that can be preserved instead of leaflets maybe a good way. It may or may not work. Its just a thought byte.
Thanks a lot.
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Seems more like a matter of a brochure than a magazine then. -- Chivalry, Schmivalry! Roger the thief has a method he uses for sneaky attacks: Folks who are reading are Characteristically Always Forgetting to Guard their own bac ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems more like a matter of a brochure than a magazine then.
Well these are separate pages, so you can use them as you want to actually..Combine similar formats to get a magazine or different formats together to form a brochure. But as I said patches are welcome
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On Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54:48 PM Manu Gupta wrote:
However, I think you missed my point over here. What I mean to say is have a small brochure or set of articles in a printed form and send it to various companies or in corporate conferences where we can actually show what openSUSE has been doing and ask for sponsorship. Giving something that can be preserved instead of leaflets maybe a good way. It may or may not work. Its just a thought byte.
I was thinking in line with original idea of openSUSE Magazine that I understood more like quaterly report of the most important events and few high quality technical articles about new stuff in a distribution, but I like idea of broshure that will be project presentation. Broshure (10 pages) should fill in place between magazine (30-40 pages) and leaflets (2 pages). (Yes, we have stuff for 40 pages every 3 months :) ) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Producing a full magazine would be a hell of a lot of work, even if it were only quarterly. Though I think quarterly might be manageable. However I get the feeling our various teams have shrunk considerably over the last several months. On an unrelated note, KMail seems to be on the fritz; not wanting to quote, and always adding extra "Re:". I looked at every setting a tried everything that should work, and no luck. Chances are it is just me overlooking something very simple, but not presented simply by settings. If you know, just PM me; not trying to hijack the thread. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Riverside, California ***Looking for C++ Mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:16:50 AM Roger Luedecke wrote:
Producing a full magazine would be a hell of a lot of work, even if it were only quarterly. Though I think quarterly might be manageable. However I get the feeling our various teams have shrunk considerably over the last several months.
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On Sunday, December 04, 2011 13:08:39 Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54:48 PM Manu Gupta wrote:
However, I think you missed my point over here. What I mean to say is have a small brochure or set of articles in a printed form and send it to various companies or in corporate conferences where we can actually show what openSUSE has been doing and ask for sponsorship. Giving something that can be preserved instead of leaflets maybe a good way. It may or may not work. Its just a thought byte.
I was thinking in line with original idea of openSUSE Magazine that I understood more like quaterly report of the most important events and few high quality technical articles about new stuff in a distribution, but I like idea of broshure that will be project presentation.
Broshure (10 pages) should fill in place between magazine (30-40 pages) and leaflets (2 pages).
I do like the idea of a brochure - sounds a bit like our sponsorship brochure... We have that one to show off what we, as in openSUSE, do, to our sponsors. We made one (short) for the openSUSE conference (Izabel did a lot of work on that) and Henne made a 'press kit' which might also have re-useable content. I just had a thought: These things (both the magazine and this brochure) could simply be based on news.opensuse.org articles. Why not push the articles there and have the magazine and this thing be a selection of those articles? It would guarantee at least some reviewing etc, otherwise it wouldn't go up on news.o.o :D To do this, we'd simply have to pick the current articles made for the magazine, and try to push them on news.o.o one-by-one. In that process they'd get reviewed and improved, then, combined with some other articles from the past few months, we'd have something pretty good. Maybe not perfect, but perfect is the enemy of good (and in FOSS, perfect usually equals 'not at all'). /Jos
(Yes, we have stuff for 40 pages every 3 months :) )
Le 07/12/2011 12:41, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
These things (both the magazine and this brochure) could simply be based on news.opensuse.org articles. Why not push the articles there and have the magazine and this thing be a selection of those articles?
I think it's a great part of the initial idea. Magazine = one year of openSUSE, with mostly a "best of" the news (news.o.o is extremely good) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On 08.12.2011 12:45, jdd wrote:
Le 07/12/2011 12:41, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
These things (both the magazine and this brochure) could simply be based on news.opensuse.org articles. Why not push the articles there and have the magazine and this thing be a selection of those articles?
I think it's a great part of the initial idea. Magazine = one year of openSUSE, with mostly a "best of" the news (news.o.o is extremely good)
+1 But how you´ll create a "best of"? --kdl -- Kim Leyendecker, openSUSE Wiki Team GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | leyendecker@opensuse.org http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Le 09/12/2011 17:10, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
I think it's a great part of the initial idea. Magazine = one year of openSUSE, with mostly a "best of" the news (news.o.o is extremely good)
+1
But how you´ll create a "best of"?
by hand? don't see other way :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On 09.12.2011 19:17, jdd wrote:
Le 09/12/2011 17:10, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
I think it's a great part of the initial idea. Magazine = one year of openSUSE, with mostly a "best of" the news (news.o.o is extremely good)
+1
But how you´ll create a "best of"?
by hand? don't see other way :-(
Sorry, I guess my question was just too imprecise. I rather meant which criteria are there to call an article part of a "best of"? -- Kim Leyendecker, openSUSE Wiki Team GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | leyendecker@opensuse.org http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Le 09/12/2011 19:38, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
Sorry, I guess my question was just too imprecise. I rather meant which criteria are there to call an article part of a "best of"?
depends of how many people work for the magazine. I would like to see for example "give the 10 best article of your choice" and give a mark to each, but in fine people that do the work will choose :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Hey all :) (I have to admit my email comes in a little late - I've been crazy busy, I'm afraid) I would like to point out that I don't feel left out or that my idea was stolen in this particular case. The initial idea was presented through the most significant mailing lists, so I think everybody is very clear on who thought of what and who started what. Reminding people about the magazine idea and pushing them a little to contribute is probably the best thing that could happen. Regarding the "best of news' articles" it has been something that we intended to do anyway, still we would need some reviewing of the articles and possible corrections (and I mostly refer to syntax/grammar/clear meaning which we find that is important for such a publication). I indeed hope that new year will come with inspiration and motivation (and some free time - please!) to contribute more and see progress made in all these things that we like. I hope we can get more people activated about the magazine, and especially people that have written interesting articles on news could perhaps point it out (since it is easier for them to say "hey I have this article you could add to the magazine!") instead of us searching for it (honestly I don't think I would be able to choose some articles and leave others). Stella On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 09/12/2011 19:38, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
Sorry, I guess my question was just too imprecise. I rather meant which criteria are there to call an article part of a "best of"?
depends of how many people work for the magazine. I would like to see for example "give the 10 best article of your choice" and give a mark to each, but in fine people that do the work will choose :-)
jdd
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Le 14/12/2011 17:59, differentreality a écrit :
Regarding the "best of news' articles" it has been something that we intended to do anyway, still we would need some reviewing of the articles and possible corrections (and I mostly refer to syntax/grammar/clear meaning which we find that is important for such a publication).
can we, in the beginning, make sure from what date to what date we have to search (the magazine will cover the period between these two dates). Then we should have some preliminary idea of the magazine structure: page number, internal organisation... For example, what size should we keep for each news article? Probably need some compression :-) what do we have apart from news abstracts?
I indeed hope that new year will come with inspiration and motivation (and some free time - please!) to contribute more and see progress made in all these things that we like.
sure :-) thanks jdd (also pretty busy :-() -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, December 14, 2011 06:59:55 PM differentreality wrote:
Hey all :)
(I have to admit my email comes in a little late - I've been crazy busy, I'm afraid)
As usually, real life has precedence :)
I would like to point out that I don't feel left out or that my idea was stolen in this particular case. The initial idea was presented through the most significant mailing lists, so I think everybody is very clear on who thought of what and who started what.
Plus, who started what has a point only in successful projects that live long enough to have history.
Reminding people about the magazine idea and pushing them a little to contribute is probably the best thing that could happen.
Right.
Regarding the "best of news' articles" it has been something that we intended to do anyway, still we would need some reviewing of the articles and possible corrections (and I mostly refer to syntax/grammar/clear meaning which we find that is important for such a publication).
We can mimic real periodics with sections: * Intro to content ** Who made what. ** Why this selection and not the other * Brand new stuff ** System components news (kernel, systemd, btrfs, ...) ** New hardware that plays well with openSUSE and Linux * System administration ** Tips and tricks for mentioned "System components" * Story ** One or two stories from marketing, OBS, wiki, testing, etc * Project past activity ** Intro (digest) of what we did ***Short reports We can look at Weekly news too. It is long time since I wish better "weekly" news, that come out not so frequently, but with much more attention to details. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique. If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea. I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better. Sincerely, Gregory
On 06.12.2011 17:48, Gregory Zysk wrote: Hi,
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique. Bold words.
I don't know the details on this, but this sounds as if you claim that Manu steals away an idea from Prashant and Stella, both in CC of the original mail. That doesn't make sense. Apart from that, I do not see a reason why people should not follow up on others ideas in general. I have ideas all day long and feel honoured if others pick up this or that. There might be cases where that is not ok, but I wouldn't sign a general rule on that.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I read Manus mail a couple of times now, but could not find his claim for credits, sorry. Also I can not see an initiative that was killed. I see it as an initiative is picked up again.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
??? So far, for me it looks like as if you want to start something out of that. I might miss something, but if not, this is not appreciated. Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, December 06, 2011 05:48:01 PM Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. I doubt he was stealing an idea considering openSUSE trademarks are property of SUSE and the community. Resuscitating an idea doesn't seem to be hijacking when there is no profit and only the community would benefit or take a liability. Chances are I'm missing something here, but getting pissy over whos idea something is seems rather silly in an open source project. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 06, 2011 05:48:01 PM Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. I doubt he was stealing an idea considering openSUSE trademarks are property of SUSE and the community. Resuscitating an idea doesn't seem to be hijacking when there is no profit and only the community would benefit or take a liability. Chances are I'm missing something here, but getting pissy over whos idea something is seems rather silly in an open source project. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Manu, Stella and N.B. Prashanth's and put a lot work into the Magazine, they had a etherpad up, called for writers. It would have been best to search the e-mail archives reached out to them to see we could get what they had started and move with that. I know I talked about a year ago doing something like Ubuntu's Full Circle when I ran in 2010. I was happy to see some people take up the call and try. The thing to keep in mind that you don't need to start big, get a group of people start. I have stated this many times. I have done magazine layout. So putting something together and create a pdf would be easy. Maybe guys at the next marketing meeting we get a group together that want to do this and try. Let move beyond the who idea, because I mind and I have stated many times. We are good that talking and writing e-mails, but bad at taking action, at least N.B. Prashanth and Stella started working on it. Pup -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/12/2011 13:10, Chuck Payne a écrit :
times. We are good that talking and writing e-mails, but bad at taking action, at least N.B. Prashanth and Stella started working on it.
right. A first step could be to make a first shot with the etherpad content and dummy text (4 pages are enough), just to give an idea of the result jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
I for one am heartened by terrorpup's and jdd's pro-community spirit in their replies to this email thread. Thank you Terrorpup and jdd for encouraging productive action in a cooperative spirit. After all, the whole point of a community is to work together. On several occasions this past year our community has seemed quick to delve into the "Survivor model" wanting to harshly vote others "off the island". Yet as a community we advertise that we espouse the openSUSE guiding principles of "working together in an open, transparent and friendly manner". A timely quote from Booker T. Washington crossed my desk this morning, "There are two ways of exerting ones strength; one is pushing down, the other is pulling up." 2012 will soon be upon us. Ringing in the new year traditionally brings a spirit of newness and invites everyone to set new goals and aspirations. Let's take advantage of the new year spirit and focus our strength on pulling others up in an open, transparent and friendly manner. Happy Holidays. Alan Clark
On 12/7/2011 at 05:31 AM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote: Le 07/12/2011 13:10, Chuck Payne a écrit :
times. We are good that talking and writing e-mails, but bad at taking action, at least N.B. Prashanth and Stella started working on it.
right.
A first step could be to make a first shot with the etherpad content and dummy text (4 pages are enough), just to give an idea of the result
jdd
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On 2011-12-07 10:04:00 (-0700), Alan Clark <aclark@suse.com> wrote:
I for one am heartened by terrorpup's and jdd's pro-community spirit in their replies to this email thread. Thank you Terrorpup and jdd for encouraging productive action in a cooperative spirit. After all, the whole point of a community is to work together.
Absolutely. But it is also to play by certain rules :) Honesty and merit (where it's due) are absolutely critical. Without that, there is no trust. And without trust, the whole thing is pointless. Or at least very frustrating and ineffective ^^ The most essential part of working together is to respect those values to begin with. Then we're on a level of trust where communication can happen without manipulation, and then we are actually working together. Note that I'm not specifically referring to this situation, I don't know any details, but I know of many other nasty things a very few people have been doing in our project. I won't name any names, as public crucifiction isn't really the best way to resolve such issues in the best possible manner for all parties involved. If you have no idea what I'm talking about and never noticed anything like that, then that's great, good for you. But it has happened, and will still happen. If you know exactly what I'm talking about (and I know a few people who do), then we need to talk. The very nature of manipulation is that it doesn't happen in public, or at least not with much of an audience, and is not blatant either. That would be too easy.
On several occasions this past year our community has seemed quick to delve into the "Survivor model" wanting to harshly vote others "off the island". Yet as a community we advertise that we espouse the openSUSE guiding principles of "working together in an open, transparent and friendly manner".
"Friendly" also means being honest and playing by the rules (of meritocracy, for example), so it's not as simple as shooting the messenger. That is certainly what most people are more comfortable with, because it equates to putting your head into the sand, and most human beings are not comfortable with dealing with situations of conflict. But reality is typically a bit more complex, and those things always happen, everywhere, and need to be dealt with. Personally, I actually believe that we have tolerated destructive behaviour way too much :\ I am heavily opposed to hierarchy, titles, positions. "Just do it" is perfectly fine and reflects what most people in this community are comfortable with. It translates mostly into just letting people do what they want (kinda), without the need for permission or position, and that is a pretty awesome thing. Other projects and communities are very different in that regard, which is fine I guess, because the people who contribute there obviously feel fine with it, but it is definitely not what works for us. But on the other hand, that approach also tends to translate into just letting things be without intervening or guiding much. We've let too many contributors be irked away in disgust by the behaviour and maneuvers of a very few. We are also putting the whole project at risk by not taking position or even action against destructive behaviour (such as manipulation, for example). We had such a case, and we took action -- in hindsight, we did way too late because those who were abused and bullied continued to be so in the mean time, and a few have left the project forever. But it wasn't an isolated case. It will happen again, and has been happening with other people since quite some time too. We need to restore trust into at least a few people or parts of the project, in order for such situations to be talked about and worked on, rather than letting the people who are the victims of such behaviour either down (has happened, is happening on this thread too in my humble opinion) or alone to deal with it (and probably go away in disgust, rightfully so).
A timely quote from Booker T. Washington crossed my desk this morning, "There are two ways of exerting ones strength; one is pushing down, the other is pulling up." 2012 will soon be upon us. Ringing in the new year traditionally brings a spirit of newness and invites everyone to set new goals and aspirations. Let's take advantage of the new year spirit and focus our strength on pulling others up in an open, transparent and friendly manner.
Pushing down is precisely what was tried to be addressed, it is a pity that what most people took out of it was the necessity to shoot the messenger. Or even ignore Prashanth's email on the thread. To stay in the same poetic vein, "letting down" is another way of doing it wrong. If you don't mind, let me counter-quote then, although it is a lot less compact that a one-liner :) : "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 That being said, there is no need to feel negative about this. Those are issues every group of people faces. Some people are compatible with working together like this, as we do, and some are not. That's life. We should stop being so passive about it though, and tackle the problem, which will greatly enhance the way we work together. "Have a lot of fun" is something quite a few of us firmly believe in. It's not just a funny quote for /etc/issue, it's really what contributing to this project should be for everyone. cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf
On 06.12.2011 17:48, Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory
Sorry, but I don´t get it? Why Manu is doing wrong? He just let us know about the progress of the magazine. And, quite frankly, there´s a credit file in the GCI-project, and I don´t doubt that there wouldn´t be the names of Prashanth and Stella in the end. So, this mail might some kind of "election´s paranoia" or another non-discovered disease ;-) --kdl -- Kim Leyendecker, openSUSE Wiki Team GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | leyendecker@opensuse.org http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 17:48 +0100, Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory
I agree that anything that pushes an idea forward is a good one, but I also do feel that there are certain projects that get a rubber stamp in exchange for electoral support, the key factor will be how well these ideas fair after the election process. Talking about Brochures and such would it be possible to make some kind of Application Catalogue - Perhaps just a collection of posters that follow a similar layout and colour scheme but advertise the features of a particular product such as LibreOffice / KOffice /AbiWord GNumeric or Amarok, K3B and others, I am looking after the Christmas period to be pushing openSUSE and its derivatives into Public Youth Hostels with a view to taking over the management of their public computers, switching windows for oS and as such I need lots of promotional material to put on walls, have attached to the side of the machines and such other information, but rather than just a mish mash of information collated from the public domain, to have it all done with official colours and branding? A while back I was discussing getting some kind of poster made to promote 12.1 I don't know quite where it got upto as I have been distracted, however I have nearly finished with this current semester at uni and whilst of course have work to do over the semester break, I am trying to catch up with the marketing team to promote ideas I have and engage community support to push them forward. -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Director Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Heaton Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: 44-(0)1204-410474 Mob: 44-(0)7868-028028 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Stuart Tanner <stuart@bolin.org.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 17:48 +0100, Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory
I agree that anything that pushes an idea forward is a good one, but I also do feel that there are certain projects that get a rubber stamp in exchange for electoral support, the key factor will be how well these ideas fair after the election process.
Talking about Brochures and such would it be possible to make some kind of Application Catalogue - Perhaps just a collection of posters that follow a similar layout and colour scheme but advertise the features of a particular product such as LibreOffice / KOffice /AbiWord GNumeric or Amarok, K3B and others, I am looking after the Christmas period to be pushing openSUSE and its derivatives into Public Youth Hostels with a view to taking over the management of their public computers, switching windows for oS and as such I need lots of promotional material to put on walls, have attached to the side of the machines and such other information, but rather than just a mish mash of information collated from the public domain, to have it all done with official colours and branding?
A while back I was discussing getting some kind of poster made to promote 12.1 I don't know quite where it got upto as I have been distracted, however I have nearly finished with this current semester at uni and whilst of course have work to do over the semester break, I am trying to catch up with the marketing team to promote ideas I have and engage community support to push them forward.
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Guys, What I was thinking, I talking about this last year, instead of doing a publish magazine, let do something like Ubuntu Full Circle, a PDF. I think bi-year or quartely would be great. The future is e-publishing. I think it would be create to create something that people can carry around. That's my thought. Guys, I have publish magazine, that what my major was in college, ( Photo/Radia/Publishing) not computers. I can scan some samples if need be. Chuck -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 13:36 -0500, Chuck Payne wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Stuart Tanner <stuart@bolin.org.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 17:48 +0100, Gregory Zysk wrote:
On 12/04/2011 02:53 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hi All,
I think its the perfect oppurtunity for everyone to start working on openSUSE Magazine. We all have been interested but the idea got lost somewhere since none of us had enough time.
One of the results of GCI was design for the magazine. While printing of the magazine maybe very expensive. I think we can create this magazine for inviting new sponsors to the project and also for the upcoming openSUSE Conference. So printing a few 100 copies and sending it across should not matter but thats upto Jos to decide.
Please have a look at the design, I will soon set up it in the artwork repo for openSUSE and if somebody can do that for me, it will be great as I have bandwidth and speed limitations as of now. Patches are always welcome :) http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7174228
Thanks a lot.
I am sorry, but I have to interject on this. Manu, I have seen you do this times before and it is really bad taste. This is not your initiative, but N.B. Prashanth's and Stella's idea, which was initiated at the Marketing Hackfest in Nuremberg after the oSC. I know because I was in the original list of correspondence for this initiative and also have been tracking it since I believe Prashanth's idea was a very good and unique.
If there is anything that needs to be changed in this project more than anything it is the killing of initiatives by certain members of this community, only to use it later to their own benefit. So, Manu you have absolutely no right to take credit for this as it is not your idea.
I would request that this matter be looked into by the election committee and all others to verify that the candidates are campaigning on their own merits rather than trying to steal ideas to make themselves look better.
Sincerely,
Gregory
I agree that anything that pushes an idea forward is a good one, but I also do feel that there are certain projects that get a rubber stamp in exchange for electoral support, the key factor will be how well these ideas fair after the election process.
Talking about Brochures and such would it be possible to make some kind of Application Catalogue - Perhaps just a collection of posters that follow a similar layout and colour scheme but advertise the features of a particular product such as LibreOffice / KOffice /AbiWord GNumeric or Amarok, K3B and others, I am looking after the Christmas period to be pushing openSUSE and its derivatives into Public Youth Hostels with a view to taking over the management of their public computers, switching windows for oS and as such I need lots of promotional material to put on walls, have attached to the side of the machines and such other information, but rather than just a mish mash of information collated from the public domain, to have it all done with official colours and branding?
A while back I was discussing getting some kind of poster made to promote 12.1 I don't know quite where it got upto as I have been distracted, however I have nearly finished with this current semester at uni and whilst of course have work to do over the semester break, I am trying to catch up with the marketing team to promote ideas I have and engage community support to push them forward.
-- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Director Bolton Linux
24 Vincent Street Heaton Bolton BL1 4SA
Tel: 44-(0)1204-410474 Mob: 44-(0)7868-028028
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Guys,
What I was thinking, I talking about this last year, instead of doing a publish magazine, let do something like Ubuntu Full Circle, a PDF. I think bi-year or quartely would be great.
The future is e-publishing. I think it would be create to create something that people can carry around.
That's my thought. Guys, I have publish magazine, that what my major was in college, ( Photo/Radia/Publishing) not computers.
I can scan some samples if need be.
Chuck
E-Publishing is good for general usage and I can print out just how many copies I need just for the hostels I am working with, but I need something that really promotes openSUSE as soon as possible posters and brochures. I am not asking for Jos's poor budget to pay for it :) I will print what's required, its just I need artwork information that promotes openSUSE in General maybe this is different from a community magazine but I am looking for material to promote oS to new people who are unaware of the distribution perhaps even people unaware of Linux. Also we need something to compete against the brand of Ubuntu, many more people seem to be aware of Ubuntu that openSUSE even if they don't give away DVD's anymore, its popularity is still continuing. Just my thoughts. -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Director Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Heaton Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: 44-(0)1204-410474 Mob: 44-(0)7868-028028 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On 14.12.2011 19:36, Chuck Payne wrote:
Guys,
What I was thinking, I talking about this last year, instead of doing a publish magazine, let do something like Ubuntu Full Circle, a PDF. I think bi-year or quartely would be great.
The future is e-publishing. I think it would be create to create something that people can carry around.
That's my thought. Guys, I have publish magazine, that what my major was in college, ( Photo/Radia/Publishing) not computers.
I can scan some samples if need be.
What speaks against doing both? ;-) --kdl -- kind regards, -o) German Wiki Team Kim Leyendecker /\\ Documentation& marketing www.opensuse.org _\_v leyendecker@opensuse.org ===================================================== my GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | IRC: k-d-l Twitter: kim_d_ley | Wiki-Username: openLHAG openSUSE - Linux for open minds - get it free today! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 20:10 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
On 14.12.2011 19:36, Chuck Payne wrote:
Guys,
What I was thinking, I talking about this last year, instead of doing a publish magazine, let do something like Ubuntu Full Circle, a PDF. I think bi-year or quartely would be great.
The future is e-publishing. I think it would be create to create something that people can carry around.
That's my thought. Guys, I have publish magazine, that what my major was in college, ( Photo/Radia/Publishing) not computers.
I can scan some samples if need be.
What speaks against doing both? ;-)
--kdl
What says against doing both is the fact that we can't even get one done let alone two or three.. -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Director Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Heaton Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: 44-(0)1204-410474 Mob: 44-(0)7868-028028 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/12/2011 20:05, Stuart Tanner a écrit :
What says against doing both is the fact that we can't even get one done let alone two or three..
I understood the magazine project as being a pdf one first. We will see if any printed material is usefull later let's first play with the idea and do some zero number online jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On 2011-12-14 jdd wrote:
Le 14/12/2011 20:05, Stuart Tanner a écrit :
What says against doing both is the fact that we can't even get one done let alone two or three..
I understood the magazine project as being a pdf one first. We will see if any printed material is usefull later
Well, a pdf would be the cheaper option, quite obviously, but IMHO it´s worth the money if potential interested users can hold something in their hands. Anyway, I would suggest to meet up with the marketing team soon and create a "project plan" first. Maybe on the next project / marketing meeting? --kdl -- /* This space for rent */ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
BTW, are the original founders of the project still up to date with regard to the latest results of the discussion? Before discussing it here to hell, we might should include them more... AND: Apart from the GCI page, is there any material on the wiki? And are some boosters included in the whole thing? For me, it sounds like a perfect job for the boosters team, what are your thoughts about that? --kdl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, December 15, 2011 09:50:11 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Before discussing it here to hell, we might should include them more...
How do we do that if they don't show up here? This is not hidden list where they have no access, so it is their responsibility to follow up on their idea, share solutions and discuss them with other interested. If they sit on side, waiting for better time to start work, that is not a problem of those that actively develop idea right now. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org
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