[opensuse-marketing] Linux User Groups in New Wiki
Hi everybody. In a past post we where talking about where should I put my LUG [0] Page in the new WIKi, an Rajko say that we can use [1], for that matter. So before start placing pages around, I would like to confirm this first, because i think that its important to organize well this LUG pages, in order to help ambassadors to create there own LUG's and share the list of users, events and stuff like that in a organized way. That's my main goal with GoSVe, to get together the openSUSE Community here in Venezuela. So, the question is: The page [1] should be a list of links to the other pages like in [2], where we can list all the LUG's (no matter the Lang), and the final page, where we put all the group content could be like [3]? Or how should we organize this in a good and efficient way for the future? Thanks in advance for all your help. :D [0] http://es.opensuse.org/LUG/South_America/Venezuela [1] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups [2] http://es.opensuse.org/Categor%C3%ADa:LUG [3] http://wiki.opensuse.org/LUG:GoSVE -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv Blog > http://blog.alexbariv.com/ Twitter > http://twitter.com/alexbariv Linux User > 383172 GPG Pkey > 5AB7D408 "Be free, Think Linux, Be smart, Think openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Alex Barrios <alexbariv@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everybody.
In a past post we where talking about where should I put my LUG [0] Page in the new WIKi, an Rajko say that we can use [1], for that matter.
So before start placing pages around, I would like to confirm this first, because i think that its important to organize well this LUG pages, in order to help ambassadors to create there own LUG's and share the list of users, events and stuff like that in a organized way.
That's my main goal with GoSVe, to get together the openSUSE Community here in Venezuela.
So, the question is: The page [1] should be a list of links to the other pages like in [2], where we can list all the LUG's (no matter the Lang), and the final page, where we put all the group content could be like [3]?
Or how should we organize this in a good and efficient way for the future?
Thanks in advance for all your help. :D
[0] http://es.opensuse.org/LUG/South_America/Venezuela [1] http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups [2] http://es.opensuse.org/Categor%C3%ADa:LUG [3] http://wiki.opensuse.org/LUG:GoSVE
Hi , Well IMHO what Rajko said is completely right and I dont think you need any other approval when Rajko advised it ;-) .Yes , Portal is the place for an LUG . Also not only links to be mentioned but make it according to the Portal template , I guess one would find enough data to put it :). Good luck
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On Monday 19 July 2010 23:03:05 Shayon Mukherjee wrote:
Well IMHO what Rajko said is completely right and I dont think you need any other approval
I don't think Alex is asking for approval, but consent how to do things in a way that will not ask for changes in URL after a short period, and I think that is correct way to do this and similar topics that affect a lot of openSUSE activity and contributors, like LUGs and Ambassadors. I'm sorry, but I'm out of time now, so besides this comment I can't give more thoughts to this. More tomorrow. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
2010/7/20 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Monday 19 July 2010 23:03:05 Shayon Mukherjee wrote:
Well IMHO what Rajko said is completely right and I dont think you need any other approval
I don't think Alex is asking for approval, but consent how to do things in a way that will not ask for changes in URL after a short period, and I think that is correct way to do this and similar topics that affect a lot of openSUSE activity and contributors, like LUGs and Ambassadors.
I'm sorry, but I'm out of time now, so besides this comment I can't give more thoughts to this. More tomorrow.
-- Regards, Rajko
Exactly Rajko. I was asking just to get the things right from the beginning. Well, when i have some spare time i will migrate my LUG to there following this steps and report back here ;-). Cheers! -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv Blog > http://blog.alexbariv.com/ Twitter > http://twitter.com/alexbariv Linux User > 383172 GPG Pkey > 5AB7D408 "Be free, Think Linux, Be smart, Think openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hix ;-) Could you please me help me understand why openSUSE 11.3 was delivered only with drivers like nouveau, ati, radeon (free drivers ?). What is the link with Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) if any ? This before having in community repositories the drivers for various vendors. Is this a will to "free_ify" openSUSE or a technical impossibility due to the lack of stable proprietory drivers ? A lot of users are now complaining that they can't use 3D anymore . I made a tutorial to add the nvidia driver (skiping nouveau, then nv then adding nvidia) but is there a tutorial to help them add nvidia, ati and intel drivers from community repositories ? Well, urls may suffice ;) Thanks ;) -- -- Fabrice -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:25 AM, fabrice <manchette@free.fr> wrote:
Hix ;-)
Could you please me help me understand why openSUSE 11.3 was delivered only with drivers like nouveau, ati, radeon (free drivers ?). What is the link with Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) if any ?
This before having in community repositories the drivers for various vendors.
Is this a will to "free_ify" openSUSE or a technical impossibility due to the lack of stable proprietory drivers ?
A lot of users are now complaining that they can't use 3D anymore .
I made a tutorial to add the nvidia driver (skiping nouveau, then nv then adding nvidia) but is there a tutorial to help them add nvidia, ati and intel drivers from community repositories ? Well, urls may suffice ;)
Thanks ;)
Hi Fabrice, I'm afraid this isn't the right list for this kind of discussion :) Here a tutorial on the wiki: http://wiki.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards There are some problems with nVidia because their proprietary driver doesn't support KMS, while the free drivers do. The official proprietary drivers, provided *by* nVidia and from the *nVidia* repository, will be available in a few days. Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 03:30:19 Rémy Marquis wrote: ...
Time to change URL to: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hello, (answers to opensuse-wiki please) on Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2010, Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 03:30:19 Rémy Marquis wrote:
Time to change URL to: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards
The "problem" is that wiki.o.o also works ;-)) Maybe it's time to add a server-side redirect. wiki.o.o should be made a separate vHost that consists only of one line of Apache configuration (and no content): RedirectPermanent / http://en.opensuse.org/ This has the advantage that all URLs that are pasted from the location bar will have en.o.o instead of wiki.o.o. As a bonus, this will "update" search engines to only list en.o.o (instead of giving us a penalty because of duplicate content in wiki.o.o and en.o.o ;-) Final note: IMHO we can't ever drop wiki.o.o (there are too many links to it out there), but we can at least make clear that en.o.o is the correct place/URL. Regards, Christian Boltz --
Can I get some more info from the machine? 'dmesg', 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices', etc ... Sorry, there's no command calles "etc" on my machine... ;-) [Rasmus Plewe on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=176022] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 19 July 2010 15:40:14 Alex Barrios wrote:
So, the question is: The page [1] should be a list of links to the other pages like in [2], where we can list all the LUG's (no matter the Lang), and the final page, where we put all the group content could be like [3]?
Or how should we organize this in a good and efficient way for the future?
Thanks in advance for all your help. :D
Don't use subpages. There is no directory structure in the wiki. All pages are dynamically created and all are at server root. Slash (/) in the title looks bad when used instead of space, and many more problems made Wikipedia to ban subpages except under strictly defined conditions.
Better http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups That should be the start. Navigation using categories. Category can be displayed using CategoryTree. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Support navigation for samples of usage until I get time to write instructions.
You can see that articles in category don't need slash. You can create a tree structure with categories, where you can start with either item LUG, Continent, Country, or just add 3 categories to each article: [[Category:LUG]] [[Category:<Contintent>]] [[Category:<Country>]] When you need articles for specific LUG/South_America/Venezuela then use extension Intersection: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Intersection The only problem is that articles should have title by name of the LUG like GoSVE . If there is 2 with the same name add part of location, typically city, as differentiation. Wikipedia is using something like: Smolt (linux) to make difference between small fish smolt and linux project Smolt.
No. Playing with colon (:) in the article title is call for trouble. It is usually used as namespace designation like in Portal:Linux_user_groups and if we decide to create LUG namespace, all articles created prior to namespace creation, with LUG: in the tile will disappear. They will be in database, but MediaWiki will be unable to access them. MediaWiki does not create namespaces on the fly, like some other wikis, but stores articles like LUG:GoSVE in main namespace. When you create such namespace it will be stored in different way and that is the reason that they will disappear. I would go to the Wikipedia and see how they handle such matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group also http://www.linux.org/groups/ -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
2010/7/21 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Monday 19 July 2010 15:40:14 Alex Barrios wrote:
So, the question is: The page [1] should be a list of links to the other pages like in [2], where we can list all the LUG's (no matter the Lang), and the final page, where we put all the group content could be like [3]?
Or how should we organize this in a good and efficient way for the future?
Thanks in advance for all your help. :D
Don't use subpages. There is no directory structure in the wiki. All pages are dynamically created and all are at server root. Slash (/) in the title looks bad when used instead of space, and many more problems made Wikipedia to ban subpages except under strictly defined conditions.
Better http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups
That should be the start. Navigation using categories. Category can be displayed using CategoryTree. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Support navigation for samples of usage until I get time to write instructions.
You can see that articles in category don't need slash. You can create a tree structure with categories, where you can start with either item LUG, Continent, Country, or just add 3 categories to each article: [[Category:LUG]] [[Category:<Contintent>]] [[Category:<Country>]]
When you need articles for specific LUG/South_America/Venezuela then use extension Intersection: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Intersection
The only problem is that articles should have title by name of the LUG like GoSVE . If there is 2 with the same name add part of location, typically city, as differentiation. Wikipedia is using something like: Smolt (linux) to make difference between small fish smolt and linux project Smolt.
No.
Playing with colon (:) in the article title is call for trouble. It is usually used as namespace designation like in Portal:Linux_user_groups and if we decide to create LUG namespace, all articles created prior to namespace creation, with LUG: in the tile will disappear. They will be in database, but MediaWiki will be unable to access them.
MediaWiki does not create namespaces on the fly, like some other wikis, but stores articles like LUG:GoSVE in main namespace. When you create such namespace it will be stored in different way and that is the reason that they will disappear.
I would go to the Wikipedia and see how they handle such matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group also http://www.linux.org/groups/
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Well i think that is better that we discuss this on the road, because I'm still a bit lost with what its the approach of the organization of the New Wiki. So i created a start page for the LUGs here: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups There i put some content, and what i think should be this page, first: to all the newbie ambassadors what is a LUG, and i think that we should put the importance of getting together as a group to improve the Community Sense in our users (just an Idea), and second: the list of our groups spreading all around the World. Now, that We have the starting point, ¿what should be the page for GoSVe? for example, i just put a link to the old Wiki for the time. I'm reading the wikipedia to get ideas about this, like Rajko suggest, and for all that reasons LUG:GoSVE will not be the approach. Cheers! -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv Blog > http://blog.alexbariv.com/ Twitter > http://twitter.com/alexbariv Linux User > 383172 GPG Pkey > 5AB7D408 "Be free, Think Linux, Be smart, Think openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 11:04:29 Alex Barrios wrote:
Now, that We have the starting point, ¿what should be the page for GoSVe? for example, i just put a link to the old Wiki for the time.
I'm reading the wikipedia to get ideas about this, like Rajko suggest, and for all that reasons LUG:GoSVE will not be the approach.
Why not openSUSE:GoSVe with categories: [[Category:Linux user groups]] [[Category:<Country>]] Looking at http://www.linux.org/groups/ the list of countries is not excessive, so we can skip categorization by continent, if we don't want it. We create category tree starting with [[Category:openSUSE project]]. Tree structure has advantage that it can be presented to user for browsing without any additional effort, or with small effort to list category in <categorytree> tags. Problem in this particular case is how to organize tree. LUG (in general <activity> like Ambassadors, Events) Country (location) Time which due to multiple activities per country can require multiple trees, or Country Time Activity where we moved problem from multiple activities to multiple countries :) One solution that skips categories is to use table, that has sortable columns, which is standard table class. That way anyone can sort per column he wants to see. Problem with this is that table is 2 dimensional and we have 3 coordinates, if we don't add more criteria :) We can also go without tree and create lists, or tables with different views using Intersection extension. That lists will be updated as soon as new article is properly categorized. The best solution gives the most with the least effort. To me Intersection should be the best, but I never tried it. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Forgot to mention, I touched: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups You can see in the source what has changed :) Titles of subpages of portals are not visible by normal visitors, so we use them and then include in the base portal page page with {{:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/<subpage_title>}}. In this case FULLPAGENAME is replaced with Portal:Linux_user_groups . The strange spread of comment tags is to minimize vertical blank space, that is important to avoid on the top of the page, but it is not that critical at the end. The title of section List can be changed without changing subpage, so you can give it more descriptive name. Probably the most important is that when you link list, don't use direct link to the: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups/List but to the portal: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups That way if we decide to create different subpage, or add more, links will not change. This gives us flexibility to arrange content behind portals in a better way without breaking web links from other places to the wiki. Also created: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Linux_user_groups that should, for now, collect all about Linux users groups. It is listed as subcategory of Marketing, but if there is a better place where people will look for LUGs then it can be added there. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
2010/7/21 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
Forgot to mention, I touched: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups
You can see in the source what has changed :)
Titles of subpages of portals are not visible by normal visitors, so we use them and then include in the base portal page page with {{:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/<subpage_title>}}. In this case FULLPAGENAME is replaced with Portal:Linux_user_groups .
The strange spread of comment tags is to minimize vertical blank space, that is important to avoid on the top of the page, but it is not that critical at the end.
The title of section List can be changed without changing subpage, so you can give it more descriptive name.
Probably the most important is that when you link list, don't use direct link to the: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups/List but to the portal: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups
That way if we decide to create different subpage, or add more, links will not change. This gives us flexibility to arrange content behind portals in a better way without breaking web links from other places to the wiki.
Also created: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Linux_user_groups that should, for now, collect all about Linux users groups. It is listed as subcategory of Marketing, but if there is a better place where people will look for LUGs then it can be added there.
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Hi all! Well, bringing alive this thread again, i have created the page for my LUG in the New Wiki. Following the advices from Rajko i created: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GoSVe With the original idea for this kind of pages, there should be the list of members, prev events, next events, info about the group, how to join, where to meet,... and that kind of stuff. I have my doubts about the category, i use Portals and Linux user groups, is this correct? Remember that my original idea is to create a place for the LUG where to share information. The old one was: http://bit.ly/GoSVe After the approval of this steps, i will ask for other groups to join the idea. :) Cheers! -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv Blog > http://blog.alexbariv.com/ Twitter > http://twitter.com/alexbariv Linux User > 383172 GPG Pkey > 5AB7D408 "Be free, Think Linux, Be smart, Think openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 30 July 2010 16:58:00 Alex Barrios wrote: ...
Hi all!
Well, bringing alive this thread again, i have created the page for my LUG in the New Wiki.
Following the advices from Rajko i created:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GoSVe
With the original idea for this kind of pages, there should be the list of members, prev events, next events, info about the group, how to join, where to meet,... and that kind of stuff.
Good.
I have my doubts about the category, i use Portals and Linux user groups, is this correct?
Category:Portals is for portals alone, but you can add to portal page any other category where portal belongs by the topic. For instnce: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups is in Category:Portals and Category:Linux_user_groups . There is no need to list Marketing and Community categories as Category:Linux_user_groups is member of both. The section Navigation is to list similar pages, in this portal are listed all pages in Category:Linux_user_groups , I changed purpose of manually created list and it is now "How to add LUG to the list". http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups As you can see adding LUG is nothing more then: 1) create LUG page in the wiki, as you did, and 2) add to it at the end of the page [[Category:Linux_user_groups]] Wiki will add page automatically to the Navigation section of the portal. Actually. I'll use InputBox that will help to add LUG page very easy, but it takes some time to do that. The page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GoSVe belongs only to Category:Linux_user_groups . We can add category for country later if Portal page for all LUGs become too big and we have to split list in few more categories based on country.
Remember that my original idea is to create a place for the LUG where to share information.
As it can be seen on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:LUG_Manipal some LUGs have very developed activity, so they can make their page short info and link to the LUG page.
After the approval of this steps, i will ask for other groups to join the idea. :)
It seems ready to go. If something pops up we can fix it on the run.
Cheers!
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2010/7/30 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Friday 30 July 2010 16:58:00 Alex Barrios wrote: ...
Hi all!
Well, bringing alive this thread again, i have created the page for my LUG in the New Wiki.
Following the advices from Rajko i created:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GoSVe
With the original idea for this kind of pages, there should be the list of members, prev events, next events, info about the group, how to join, where to meet,... and that kind of stuff.
Good.
I have my doubts about the category, i use Portals and Linux user groups, is this correct?
Category:Portals is for portals alone, but you can add to portal page any other category where portal belongs by the topic. For instnce: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups is in Category:Portals and Category:Linux_user_groups .
There is no need to list Marketing and Community categories as Category:Linux_user_groups is member of both.
The section Navigation is to list similar pages, in this portal are listed all pages in Category:Linux_user_groups , I changed purpose of manually created list and it is now "How to add LUG to the list".
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Linux_user_groups
As you can see adding LUG is nothing more then: 1) create LUG page in the wiki, as you did, and 2) add to it at the end of the page [[Category:Linux_user_groups]]
Wiki will add page automatically to the Navigation section of the portal.
Actually. I'll use InputBox that will help to add LUG page very easy, but it takes some time to do that.
The page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GoSVe belongs only to Category:Linux_user_groups . We can add category for country later if Portal page for all LUGs become too big and we have to split list in few more categories based on country.
Remember that my original idea is to create a place for the LUG where to share information.
As it can be seen on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:LUG_Manipal some LUGs have very developed activity, so they can make their page short info and link to the LUG page.
After the approval of this steps, i will ask for other groups to join the idea. :)
It seems ready to go. If something pops up we can fix it on the run.
Cheers!
-- Regards, Rajko
Great Rajko! That's the deal :D Thank you very much! :D I hope that this initiative grow up with more LUG's... Later I'm gonna make an invitation for the Ambassadors to this. Cheers and thanks again! :D -- Alex Barrios ----------------------------------------- Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- Embajador openSUSE > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Alexbariv Blog > http://blog.alexbariv.com/ Twitter > http://twitter.com/alexbariv Linux User > 383172 GPG Pkey > 5AB7D408 "Be free, Think Linux, Be smart, Think openSUSE" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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