Re: [opensuse-marketing] Revitalization of Weekly News Team
[gnokii forgot to send it to -marketing. I am also replying to his message] On Thursday 18 March 2010 14:52:32 you wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 18.03.2010, 14:09 +0100 schrieb Javier Llorente:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 12:00:44 S.Kemter wrote:
Hello,
As you may know, Weekly News Team is organizing biweekly regular IRC meetings on the #opensuse-newsletter channel on Freenode alternate Saturdays 14:30 UTC. However, we couldn't start the meetings for the last several months, because only few people were on the channel at that time - most of the time there were only Sascha and me. :-(
Thats a normal reaction of ppl. Because there are to often meetings with no important things. All what Sascha doing is copy and paste reminders - so maybe noone more is interested in his announcments. Because he does the same with other meetings.
Meetings are important but they should be only when it is really needed!
+1
I know most of the team members are too busy with their own works to attend the meetings and the time for the meeting may not be so convenient for everyone. If members were willing to join the meeting but happened to be busy at that time, that's not the problem. What I am afraid of is, lack of interest.
So, if you think you are a part of the Weekly News Team or want to be, I'd like to ask you:
1) Are you satisfied and having fun with editing/translating Weekly News? In case the answer is not "Yes", please tell us the reason, if you can point out.
Make it sence to translate the OWN? No - For what reason should I read the german newsletter when there only links to english pages are in? There would be a easy solution for this problem.
+1
I would leave English news in English and have a section with news in the corresponding language.
The solution is easier as this. There is a section called "from the planet". But which planet? That means actually only the english planet.
But we have more as an english planet, we have a planet in german, in spanish, in portuguese and in polish too.
There is a second reason to use this planets to maybe that animate more ppl to use them!
+1 Non-English planets should be promoted.
2) Do you have any good ideas, proposals and opinions to make Weekly News much more interesting and attractive both for readers and editors/translators? "It would be interesting at least for me, if we ..." is considered a good answer. ;-)
Sure I have but I dont find it funny to get a answer "this was always so we dont change it"
I propose changing the format. Pligg could be an option to consider. Users (including the oWN staff) would submit news and vote them. The articles with the most votes would appear in the frontpage. See http://www.pligg.com/about.php http://www.pligg.com/demo/
I think interactivity isnt really needed there. When the information are good enough in there its enough.
This would make it more interactive. You could also include videos, polls, etc directly on the frontpage.
I wouldnt use videos and polls in it. There are other tools for it. I would change the publishing form for it, its crazy to publish such a thing in a wiki.
Pligg is not a wiki ;-) I am not 100% convinced that the wiki is the right format for oWN.
3) Is the meeting time - 14:30 UTC alternate Saturdays - convenient for you? Over 1 year has passed since we fixed the time, it might be good chance to reconsider the better time for meetings. Or, if you think we had better discuss topics on another channel such as mailinglist, forum, Google Wave, etc., which is unaffected by time, please tell us your recommendation.
There might be some opinions like "We should ..." and "We have to ...", but I would rather talk with you about how we can enjoy our work on Weekly News and provide more interesting and useful newsletters to our readers. To make things better and more interesting, we always need your help. ;-)
Thats a little bit a chicken-egg problem. I saw last time often calls for help from Sascha but I think that does not help.
I think most ppl are not interested in the OWN because I can all things read on the planet fresher. The situation with the newsletter have to be changed first then u get new ppl because the thing the can work on is a good thing ;)
I don't agree. There are news from other sources. So, not everything is on the planet. And not all people read the planet on a daily basis.
yeah Thorsten Lemhuis, the Kernellog good idea really that are things that most guys have in her feedreader too and btw Thorsten dont like openSUSE ;)
On the end the openSUSE related stuff is not enough ;) There are more posts about that out there
Change means not to put new sources in, like last time its the same like read the stories on the planet. Put in a new picture on the top makes it not better too.
The content is the key to get readers!
+1
br gnokii
Greetings, -- Javier Llorente
On Thursday 18 March 2010 15:11:51 Javier Llorente wrote:
[...] I am not 100% convinced that the wiki is the right format for oWN.
The wiki is used to edit the oWN - this could be done elsewhere as well. Currently I read on opensuse-announce an email with some topics but not all of them. Let's look at the latest Fedora newsletter, I'll forward it to the list as reference: * It is a bit longer - let's not get scared by this, this will come as the editor team grows and OWN gets really popular. * It contains all headlines and not only some - my advise, let's do the same * It contains the complete content and not a pointer to the Wiki - I propose to do the same (and also publish the full contents on news.o.o instead of a pointer) * It contains an "Upcoming Events" section that looks a bit further than ours. Are we sure that the OWN list is complete? * It seems to contain sections for specific areas by editors. I would love to see a packager report regularly about packaging changes etc. So, recruiting some people that collect information what's going on in their teams and presenting it. Do you read other newsletters that could inspire OWN? Let's not copy anybody else's concept but let's look for great ideas - from the marketing team and also from other projects! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 15:25 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 15:11:51 Javier Llorente wrote:
[...] I am not 100% convinced that the wiki is the right format for oWN.
The wiki is used to edit the oWN - this could be done elsewhere as well.
I think that was mentioned in a meeting a couple of meetings ago that there would be some investigation into looking at other CMS service. Its something that should definitely be looked into, just for comparison purposes at the very least.
Currently I read on opensuse-announce an email with some topics but not all of them.
Let's look at the latest Fedora newsletter, I'll forward it to the list as reference: * It is a bit longer - let's not get scared by this, this will come as the editor team grows and OWN gets really popular. * It contains all headlines and not only some - my advise, let's do the same * It contains the complete content and not a pointer to the Wiki - I propose to do the same (and also publish the full contents on news.o.o instead of a pointer) * It contains an "Upcoming Events" section that looks a bit further than ours. Are we sure that the OWN list is complete? * It seems to contain sections for specific areas by editors. I would love to see a packager report regularly about packaging changes etc. So, recruiting some people that collect information what's going on in their teams and presenting it.
Do you read other newsletters that could inspire OWN? Let's not copy anybody else's concept but let's look for great ideas - from the marketing team and also from other projects!
Andreas
The thing about the announcement of latest OWN releases, for me, is that it doesn't sell. It doesn't pop. And if I do decide to click on the link (as a reader receiving the announcement) because of some interesting topic, I find that I end up having to click 2-3 more times before I get to the article I wanted to read. As Sirko correctly points out, the most important thing is content. And as editors, you need to determine what bring up front that will pop out to a prospective reader and get them to "buy" your publication. When I visit OWN, nothing pops out on initial view. I have to do a lot of scrolling before I *might* find something of interest to me. Delivery of the announcement makes as much difference as content does too. What we have in announcement is very simple. It assumes that everyone is interested in reading OWN on a regular basis, and there should be no assumptions ever when trying to sell yourself. Looking at AJ's example from the Fedora newsletter, I found myself wanting to read that one more. it was more exciting because most information was up front. Not only that, but the content of the information was interesting. I get email almost daily from ZDNet with their compilation of the day's articles. It's delivered in html in newsletter format, and because they put the most interesting topics into the subject line itself plus organize within the email, I find myself browsing that email (even daily) just to see if there's something of interest to me. Dress for success. You need to dress yourselves up to make yourselves more attractive and considered more professional. When you do that, you will not only attract more readers, but you will also attract more contributors. Consider also engaging and building up a corps of writers who can write dedicated content for OWN. Those are my independent observations. Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME-A11y Community Team Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi Andreas, hi List, Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 15:25:37 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
* It is a bit longer - let's not get scared by this, this will come as the editor team grows and OWN gets really popular. For longer OWN we need more Editors.
* It contains all headlines and not only some - my advise, let's do the same What you mean with headlines? You mean our "In this Week" Section? Or meaning you the TOC?
* It contains the complete content and not a pointer to the Wiki - I propose to do the same (and also publish the full contents on news.o.o instead of a pointer) That is an good idea. In the past we've discussed that, and made an compromiss between Content and Translations. So we decided (some month ago) that we a deliver the Translations into an Full (same as the english Version) and an Light (just Headlines translated). If we following this way, we must reduce our translations. Or we must add more Translators in the Team, for translating the whole Content as in english.
* It contains an "Upcoming Events" section that looks a bit further than ours. Are we sure that the OWN list is complete? ATM we're fetching the Upcoming Events and Meetings from news.o.o via a Script. So we have proposed, that all teams place their Meetings in the Event Calendar.
* It seems to contain sections for specific areas by editors. I would love to see a packager report regularly about packaging changes etc. So, recruiting some people that collect information what's going on in their teams and presenting it. +1 that sounds good...
I'm open for new ideas. -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
- James mason, 'bear454'
On Mar 18, 2010, at 8:45 AM, "Sascha 'saigkill' Manns" wrote: Hi Andreas, hi List, Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 15:25:37 wrote Andreas Jaeger: * It is a bit longer - let's not get scared by this, this will come
as the editor team grows and OWN gets really popular.
For longer OWN we need more Editors. * It contains all headlines and not only some - my advise, let's do
the same
What you mean with headlines? You mean our "In this Week" Section? Or
meaning you the TOC? * It contains the complete content and not a pointer to the
Wiki - I propose to do the same (and also publish the full contents
on news.o.o instead of a pointer)
That is an good idea. In the past we've discussed that, and made an
compromiss between Content and Translations. So we decided (some month
ago) that we a deliver the Translations into an Full (same as the
english Version) and an Light (just Headlines translated).
If we following this way, we must reduce our translations. Or we must
add more Translators in the Team, for translating the whole Content
as
in english. I'd like to see article links that are not localized have a second
link through an online tranlator (like google translate) * It contains an "Upcoming Events" section that looks a bit further
than ours. Are we sure that the OWN list is complete?
ATM we're fetching the Upcoming Events and Meetings from news.o.o
via a
Script. So we have proposed, that all teams place their Meetings in
the
Event Calendar. * It seems to contain sections for specific areas by editors. I
would love to see a packager report regularly about packaging
changes etc. So, recruiting some people that collect information
what's going on in their teams and presenting it.
+1 that sounds good... I'm open for new ideas. --
Sincerely yours Sascha Manns
openSUSE Community & Support Agent
openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German)
Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) --
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org
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On Thursday 18 March 2010 16:45:42 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:
Hi Andreas, hi List,
Am Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 15:25:37 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
* It is a bit longer - let's not get scared by this, this will come as the editor team grows and OWN gets really popular.
For longer OWN we need more Editors.
As I've hinted above: This will come itself ;)
* It contains all headlines and not only some - my advise, let's do the same
What you mean with headlines? You mean our "In this Week" Section? Or meaning you the TOC?
I mean the complete table of contents.
* It contains the complete content and not a pointer to the Wiki - I propose to do the same (and also publish the full contents on news.o.o instead of a pointer)
That is an good idea. In the past we've discussed that, and made an compromiss between Content and Translations. So we decided (some month ago) that we a deliver the Translations into an Full (same as the english Version) and an Light (just Headlines translated). If we following this way, we must reduce our translations. Or we must add more Translators in the Team, for translating the whole Content as in english.
* It contains an "Upcoming Events" section that looks a bit further than ours. Are we sure that the OWN list is complete?
ATM we're fetching the Upcoming Events and Meetings from news.o.o via a Script. So we have proposed, that all teams place their Meetings in the Event Calendar.
Yes, should happen but let's tell them ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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